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    Christian street preacher fined over homophobic sermons

    Christian street preacher fined over homophobic sermons PinkNews
    A Christian preacher has been convicted of delivering homophobic sermons in the middle of the high street, and ordered to pay a fine.
    And where are atheists on this issue?
    The preacher has received unlikely support – from the National Secular Society.
    NSS president Terry Sanderson said: “Whilst we all want to encourage public civility, there is a higher principle at stake. As long as there is no incitement to violence, then people should be allowed to speak freely without fearing legal repercussions.”
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    Re: Christian street preacher fined over homophobic sermons

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahso! View Post
    Christian street preacher fined over homophobic sermons PinkNews
    And where are atheists on this issue?
    SNAP!!!
    You do know that secularism and atheism are not synonymous don't you?

    National Secular Society - What is Secularism?

    Secularism is a principle that involves two basic propositions. The first is the strict separation of the state from religious institutions. The second is that people of different religions and beliefs are equal before the law.

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    Re: Christian street preacher fined over homophobic sermons

    You see a difference? Societal issues should be secular.
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    Re: Christian street preacher fined over homophobic sermons

    Well, I guess I have to ask, are there laws in place that make using such language illegal?
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    Re: Christian street preacher fined over homophobic sermons

    Where is the line to be drawn between Inciting Violence & Giving a Reason For Violence with prejudicial emphasis?

    It is one thing for a preacher to keep saying, with particular emphasis, that the Bible says so & so, or such & such a person should be slain (and there's no shortage of that sort of thing in the Bible), and quite another for him to say thay because this is what it says in the Bible, then we must go out & do God's Holy work & slay them. However, the outcome will be the same, as the first is simply stating a fact, with the biased presentation leaving the latter interpretation & the subsequent action to be taken as moot.

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    Re: Christian street preacher fined over homophobic sermons

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahso! View Post
    You see a difference? Societal issues should be secular.
    You don't have to be an atheist to be a secularist you seem to see them as the same thing. You can be an atheist and opposed to secular society.

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    Re: Christian street preacher fined over homophobic sermons

    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    You don't have to be an atheist to be a secularist you seem to see them as the same thing. You can be an atheist and opposed to secular society.
    One can also be a theist, and believe that society should be secular.
    And, just to stir the sediment a bit. One can be an atheist and believe in a religion-based society.
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    Re: Christian street preacher fined over homophobic sermons

    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    One can also be a theist, and believe that society should be secular.
    And, just to stir the sediment a bit. One can be an atheist and believe in a religion-based society.
    That's where you start to muddy the waters between Dogma & Doctrine. Religion is not the base. It is, itself, based on the Doctrines which preceded Religion. The base Doctrine of all Religions (including Atheism) are essentially the "Thou Shalt Not Kill" & "Thou Shalt Not Steal", as these are the most basic rules required to live within a society. They have nothing to do with Religion, yet the Bible claims it for its own.

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    Re: Christian street preacher fined over homophobic sermons

    Quote Originally Posted by FourPart View Post
    That's where you start to muddy the waters between Dogma & Doctrine. Religion is not the base. It is, itself, based on the Doctrines which preceded Religion. The base Doctrine of all Religions (including Atheism) are essentially the "Thou Shalt Not Kill" & "Thou Shalt Not Steal", as these are the most basic rules required to live within a society. They have nothing to do with Religion, yet the Bible claims it for its own.
    The Bible is making claims, now, it it?
    But actually the "thou Shalt Not Kill, or Steal" really is not so universal. It usually translate to "Thou shalt not kill your tribe-mates, or Clan mates, or neighbors - well, unless they do something really bad - but it's perfectly OK to kill those guys over there in the other tribe."
    It was later folks, like Lord Sudartha, and Jeshua, better known as The Buddha, and Jesus, who said you should even love your enemies.
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    Re: Christian street preacher fined over homophobic sermons

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    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    One can also be a theist, and believe that society should be secular.
    And, just to stir the sediment a bit. One can be an atheist and believe in a religion-based society.
    No you can't - unless you are going to argue that atheism is merely another religion with it's own set of beliefs you have to espouse and follow to be a true atheist which is a spurious argument I make a point of not engaging in except to say it is spurious, nonsensical etc etc.

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