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    Re: It's time these six innocent men are released from Indian prison.

    As for these six "innocent" Brits, I would imagine they were employed, by a US security firm with no power of arrest, to kill armed Somalis afloat off the East African coast. I do not believe they had any legal authority to do what they were employed to do, not from the UN or the USA or Somalia or India, and I don't believe they could have got any legal authority even if they'd tried to. There's too much of this "wanted dead or alive" gung-ho slaughter without trial in the name of Western Civilized Values these days. To describe them as "innocent" is an outrage, they appear not to have had even the fig-leaf of being mercenaries. In other times they might have been called bushwhackers setting out a trap.
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    Re: It's time these six innocent men are released from Indian prison.

    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/cu...ml#post1510969 six weeks back?

    http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/wa...ml#post1509838 six weeks before that? I'd definitely call Grumpy unpalatable and indefensible.

    As for this thread it was the word "innocent" which set me off.
    I suppose I was guilty of emotion taking over from research and discovering the truth. I still feel that 4 years in those conditions is more than enough of a punishment, and they should be allowed their freedom.
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    Re: It's time these six innocent men are released from Indian prison.

    I reckon there's a half million petition signers who saw the words "innocent British Veterans" and clicked instantly.
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    Re: It's time these six innocent men are released from Indian prison.

    Well Mr. spot, at least I donated a different thread for you to have a discussion in. Made a bit of a change perhaps ?
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    Hey MF, I do hope your son is OK, must have been a terrible shock to you for one so young to have a heart problem like that. I wish him all the very best. Take care both of you.
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    Re: It's time these six innocent men are released from Indian prison.

    Quote Originally Posted by G#Gill View Post
    I suppose I was guilty of emotion taking over from research and discovering the truth. I still feel that 4 years in those conditions is more than enough of a punishment, and they should be allowed their freedom.
    There we are - released and headed back to the UK.
    In the midst of planning her reunion with Billy, Yvonne wanted to take a moment to thank her signers:

    “I am absolutely overwhelmed and delighted that our men have been acquitted of all charges and will soon be home in our arms. For four years we've fought this injustice and finally they are free. I literally could not have carried on had it not been for the support each and every one of our signers have shown. The parcels you sent the men. The letters you wrote to them and the messages of hope and support you sent myself and all the families was invaluable. Thank you.”
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    Re: It's time these six innocent men are released from Indian prison.

    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    as for these six "innocent" brits, i would imagine they were employed, by a us security firm with no power of arrest, to kill armed somalis afloat off the east african coast. I do not believe they had any legal authority to do what they were employed to do, not from the un or the usa or somalia or india, and i don't believe they could have got any legal authority even if they'd tried to. There's too much of this "wanted dead or alive" gung-ho slaughter without trial in the name of western civilized values these days. To describe them as "innocent" is an outrage, they appear not to have had even the fig-leaf of being mercenaries. In other times they might have been called bushwhackers setting out a trap.
    I REST MY CASE MR. SPOT !

    Six British soldiers, who have been imprisoned in India for four years, are finally coming home to their families! They’ve been released, acquitted of all charges.

    Hopefully they will be home in time for Christmas !
    I wonder if they will be compensated for being incarcerated for 4 years when they were innocent of all charges !
    At least one of those poor men will have missed their child growing from a year old to starting school !
    I'm just relieved that they have been freed at last, after so many people in this country signed a petition to get them freed.
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    Re: It's time these six innocent men are released from Indian prison.

    They spent about half the last four years in jail and half on bail but confined to India, they've run up shocking debts in the process.

    I have no idea why you persist in claiming they were innocent. I'd accept hard done by but they've been continually shat on by their employer since the arrests four years ago, that's the primary problem they've faced. They were in the wrong place at the wrong time while their employers were sneaking the ship into Indian waters to buy shady cheap fuel illegally, that was the trigger to all this. They were employees of the company. I've already said what I think of the morality of the job they were each being paid £3,000 a month to do.

    Here's the BBC's summary of the background.
    The men, who each earned about £3,000 a month, have not been paid since their arrest and AdvanFort has also failed to pay any of their mounting legal costs, according to Lisa Dunn, the sister of detainee Nick Dunn.

    A recent hotel bill of about £12,000 was left unpaid by the firm.

    "These men are dealing with the consequences for something they haven't done," Ms Dunn said.

    [...] Email exchanges from inside AdvanFort HQ, delivered anonymously to the BBC, indicate the company ordered an illegal delivery of fuel to the ship.

    Ships wanting to refuel out at sea must use regulated sources but AdvanFort managers are accused of using a local supplier, a fisherman, contrary to the maritime regulations.

    In the emails seen by the BBC, managers commanded the boat's captain to hide the fuel and the crew was ordered not to discuss the delivery.

    "Put all drums in engine room," it said.

    "All crew and guards not to inform the current activity happened."

    The guards were merely passengers on the ship and therefore not responsible for activities aboard, according to Mr Dunn.

    "Our sole responsibility on that vessel was to rest and recuperate and await further transit," he said.

    Another manager at the firm did recognise the danger of such an order.

    "Misleading customs and port state officials regarding a vessel's mission, mechanical condition and seaworthiness is a serious matter," he said in an email to the company's bosses, Samir Farajallah - who lives in Dubai - and his son Ahmed.

    "I will not condone that type of misrepresentation myself," the concerned employee continued, adding: "Such behaviour puts our vessels and crew at risk of arrest."

    Shortly afterwards the coastguard, whose attention was drawn by the fuel exchange, detained the boat and its crew.

    [...] "I'd say the company are more crooked than the pirates we are trying to stop getting on the ships," said Dave Taylor, a former employee.

    "The lads out there in India, they're totally innocent, they haven't done anything wrong and the company is just letting them drift."

    Other well-placed sources said the firm owed money to more than 200 employees, as well as having outstanding debts for rent, legal fees and insurance premiums.

    The firm's behaviour is "reprehensible", according to Mr Luhta.

    "They ship out on their bills," he said.

    "I have a stack of letters in my office from people complaining this company had refused to pay them and still does refuse to pay them.

    "The fact that they have abandoned these crew members in a country with no legal defence for more than two years is astonishing."

    The BBC approached AdvanFort for an interview, which it declined.

    AdvanFort accused of abandoning British men facing India trial - BBC News
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    Re: It's time these six innocent men are released from Indian prison.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AdvanFort

    That Wiki info is interesting.

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