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    Re: Are we being hijacked?

    I got a couple of posts confused I got it now thanks Lars.

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    Re: Are we being hijacked?

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    Hmmm...thats very true. I believe we need a rethink on the subject of psych institutions, i think it might be time to bring these institutions back.
    I wasn't talking so much about the institutions as the community outreach and the first contact. Surely there are better ways that sending armed police to talk with someone. In some states, even calling the suicide hot line will immediately result in police being dispatched to bring the person in for a 72 hour psychiatric hold in a hospital for evaluation. There seems to be no middle ground and little availability of services that will talk with people, rather than summarily locking them up.

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    Yep, we used to have CAT teams....havent known them to be around in a long time. Ambulances want police backup if going to someone eith a mental illness. If you have a psychosis due to drugs the psych units in hospitals dont want to know you because of the demand for beds.....theyll only consider "real" diagnosed cases.

    I think institutions need to be re-enstated. They closed all ours down (except the high security ones that are essentially prisons) on the notion that people should function in the community. Problem....not everyone can exist within the community .....and guess who most of our homeless are? But i suppose you dont have to spend money or look after them.

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    Re: Are we being hijacked?

    Here, Reagan closed the state-run psychiatric hospitals and dumped them onto the streets. There is little or no funding for walk-in clinics or accessible non-hospital locations where someone can seek help. Every school board has their own standards and methods for dealing with children with problems. There aren't many options available to people.

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    Wow, i just looked up deinstitutionalization world wide.

    What a con job!..... hand ball the situation to prisons...which is shocking considering there is more ctime against the mentally ill tjan there is from them or community services....then cut funding...

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    Re: Are we being hijacked?

    Quote Originally Posted by magentaflame View Post
    GMC.... as a female....technically they are only 100 years behind us..... think about it.
    I don't need to. We still talk about loose women (I.E. one not under the control of a man) Ever read Eve's curse? I think think it's something, an attitude so deep in our psyche we don't even realise it's there. It's where the blame the victim attitude comes from - you tempted me whether you intended to or not therefore it is your fault. Funny thing is when you ask a bible thumper if it applied to just eve or to all women they usually haven't a clue what you are on about. LBGT? it's OK for me to treat you as of lesser worth than me because I am religious,

    In the good old days when society was so much more moral than it is now we had two world wars where milliions died and millions were stuffed in to gas chanmbers by people who went to church on sunday to thank god they followed the right religion and were OK with god.

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    Re: Are we being hijacked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wandrin View Post
    Here, Reagan closed the state-run psychiatric hospitals and dumped them onto the streets. There is little or no funding for walk-in clinics or accessible non-hospital locations where someone can seek help. Every school board has their own standards and methods for dealing with children with problems. There aren't many options available to people.
    That's funny, over here it was Maggie Thatcher - ISTR they were good mates at the time :-(

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    Re: Are we being hijacked?

    I thought it a good article. The analogy is pushed past its limits but the point is good - that atrocities encourage more atrocities and both the far right and the religious fundamentalists WANT atrocities against their side to be able to point and say, "See! We told you so but you wouldn't believe us." Martyrs are very powerful recruiters. Both sides want to radicalise their entire populations.

    It works, too. I found myself clocking obvious Muslims after one atrocity in a way I hadn't before. Had to have a good look at myself and that's what caused me to write a letter of support to my local mosque.
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    Re: Are we being hijacked?

    I mostly agree. I think the condition(?) has more to do with mimicking the behavior of others along with perceived permission to act out. I suppose for some that could be tribal, though one can't know any of what's being discussed with any kind of certainty without actually speaking with the actors at length.

    The problem I have with the premise is that what we label "viruses" are merely other species competing to survive and using our species as hosts (the human species would be the most dangerous virus-like creature on the planet to any number of species). We are therefore fellow competitors. The article's premise associates us as being nature itself rather than a player within the scheme, and the memes (other organisms) as players or actors within. That's far-fetched and contrary to natural selection as a theory, IMO. Memes are not living organisms, they're thoughts and what have you. They don't compete with one another - they can't - they can only be chosen as a behavior.

    I've done it also, but I've since understood that The Theory of Evolution is biological and applying it to other aspects of life can be very tricky.
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    Re: Are we being hijacked?

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    I thought the point of a meme was that it DID behave in the internet the way a gene did in biology, according to a very reputable biologist.
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