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    Re: Jeremy Corbyn?

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    American commentators seem to me to not quite "get" the vicseral nature of left and right wing politics in the UK and europe as well come to that and that socialism is not the black and white creature it seems to be in the states.

    If they'd been around in 1776 I suspect they would have dismissed the declaration of independence with it's it's notions of equality and justice for all as a ridiculous fantasy that ignores human nature that can only end in bloodshed and ruin for those taken in by it.



    Wealth of nations supposedly tne father of capitalism. He would be birling in his grave at the way his ideas are used - don't foget he also influenced the likes of karl marx - every time I hear a right wing economist talk about monetarism or how bankers and financial services are wealth creatorsand they just need to wave a magic wand I want to throw things at the tv. Thatcher and later tony blair came out with that kind of crap and it's such ridiculous nonsense. Left wing economics is just as wromg in it's own way we need somewhere in the middle.
    Can't disagree. It is fascinating that our furthest left leaning politico in the hunt for the White House is pretty far Right.
    We could use a few good Socialists in the political arena, these days.

    Of course in a world where left and right are now defined as Stalin and Hitler, What can we expect?
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    I think you need a third party if you want to achieve that. Those who have tried setting one up in America have tended to be jailed for long periods on bogus charges. I think you have a political system dominated by those who control law enforcement, and it's been firmly set into a two-party system for a very long time now.
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    The Russian "krasnaya" can be translated either as "red" or as "beautiful" and has been applied as a punning endearment to Mr Livingstone for as long as I can remember. Anyone who applies it intending to derogate the chap should take a remedial course in civility.

    I would have been delighted if Mr Livingstone had become Prime Minister himself. The slick unachievable broken promises of Tony Blair and the New Labour movement prevented it from happening.
    Yeah, I'm sure they were all gay Russian language scholars hurling that word at the man as a term of endearment.
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    Can't disagree. It is fascinating that our furthest left leaning politico in the hunt for the White House is pretty far Right.
    We could use a few good Socialists in the political arena, these days.

    Of course in a world where left and right are now defined as Stalin and Hitler, What can we expect?
    I thought that Obama was seen as a left wing reactionary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruv View Post
    Yeah, I'm sure they were all gay Russian language scholars hurling that word at the man as a term of endearment.
    You may mock, but the facts are plain. The earlier fellow at Leyland, Red Robbo, was an entirely different matter, "Red" in that instance referring to his choleric temperament. Nobody could call Mr Livingstone choleric. Mr Livingstone is your definitive Mister Cool.
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    I thought that Obama was seen as a left wing reactionary.
    Only by the people so far out on the right fringe that they think Romney is a centrist.

    Most Americans can't even tell Left from Right, anymore
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    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    The Russian "krasnaya" can be translated either as "red" or as "beautiful" and has been applied as a punning endearment to Mr Livingstone for as long as I can remember. Anyone who applies it intending to derogate the chap should take a remedial course in civility.

    I would have been delighted if Mr Livingstone had become Prime Minister himself. The slick unachievable broken promises of Tony Blair and the New Labour movement prevented it from happening.
    Our delightful press would make it impossible and have done since as far as I can remember. The Sun, I remember back in the eighties, would entertain us with lists of the "most odious" people in politics. Ken Livingstone was certainly one of them, Mo Mowlem (yes, she who did more for peace in N.I. than anyone) was on the list. I'd like to remember the others but it my memory fails me.

    Chuka was my preference before he bailed out. Smart in every way and bags of charisma. If Labour fail with Corbyn at the next General Election, they would be well advised to persuade him back into contention
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowfire View Post
    Our delightful press would make it impossible and have done since as far as I can remember. The Sun, I remember back in the eighties, would entertain us with lists of the "most odious" people in politics. Ken Livingstone was certainly one of them, Mo Mowlem (yes, she who did more for peace in N.I. than anyone) was on the list. I'd like to remember the others but it my memory fails me.
    In the late 1980s, Mullin was frequently targeted by the right-wing, tabloid press for his left-wing views. Headlines included, '20 things you didn't know about crackpot Chris', 'Loony Lefty MP', and 'Is this the most odious man in Britain?' Mullin recounted this in a speech to Parliament in 1997: 'When I was first elected in 1987, The Sun published photographs across a full page of what it called "Kinnock's Top Ten Loony Tunes": I was No. 8. If my memory serves me right, at least one of those who was higher than I in that top 10 has been appointed to the Government—I shall mention no names.I now keep my Sun headlines framed on the wall of my study at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    You may mock, but the facts are plain. The earlier fellow at Leyland, Red Robbo, was an entirely different matter, "Red" in that instance referring to his choleric temperament. Nobody could call Mr Livingstone choleric. Mr Livingstone is your definitive Mister Cool.
    Are you telling me you believe Red Robbo and Red Ken got their nicknames by being red faced with anger ?
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    Are you telling me you believe Red Robbo and Red Ken got their nicknames by being red faced with anger ?
    No, just the first one. I have never heard of any occasion when Mr Livingstone lost control of his temper.
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