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    Re: Tory MP's have the right priorities

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    Cloddy old boy.................we are in the process of splitting from the EU....................get over it.

    Saying that....................I voted to remain, pointing out all the possible problems isn't helping anything.
    Now a starter for 10.......................Is there no upside to leaving ?
    Please tell me one. I'm struggling.

    We aren't out yet and there's plenty of opportunity in the known two years alone for people to realise how stupid and harmful brexit is to us and to the EU. I haven't given up, and if the worst happens, that's when the campaign to rejoin starts. In my opinion the EU is the best future on offer and brexit and the crap associated only confirms that opinion. Just one example: blocs like the EU can stand up to multinationals; individual countries, unless huge, find it difficult. We've just parted our buttocks and said Roger!

    I've seen enough of the racist far right that's behind so much of brexit to consider the movement rotten to its core, and that includes UKIP, no matter how shiny and happy the PR is. The reality is 20 kicking an Iranian Kurdish refugee. Brexiter dupes can rationalise it how they like but that is what they voted for. I won't stop opposing it.

    And I don't want brexit to be a disaster. I just think the racist far right one we've got will be. You don't give up struggling as the cliff edge approaches, you redouble your efforts.

    ...possible problems...? They were possibly problems before the vote, now they are problems and if we brexit as seems likely they become crises. Honestly, it feels as if people have simply not woken up to the reality of what is happening.

    ...off to the allotment to Dig for Victory...

    ...here's a positive about brexit: I appreciate each lovely day more now, because the future looks bloody ugly.
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    Re: Tory MP's have the right priorities

    I just can't see how being so totally anti helps.....now. The deal is done, we all voted, sucked in by the same politicians that promise the world every general election.
    We are in the same boat we must all pull together or we will surely sink.

    Remember I voted remain too.

    And irony of irony about that Iranian racist attack, the perpetrators were mostly of West Indian descent, not your average right wing bad boy.
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    Re: Tory MP's have the right priorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruv View Post
    I just can't see how being so totally anti helps.....now. The deal is done, we all voted, sucked in by the same politicians that promise the world every general election.
    We are in the same boat we must all pull together or we will surely sink.

    Remember I voted remain too.

    And irony of irony about that Iranian racist attack, the perpetrators were mostly of West Indian descent, not your average right wing bad boy.
    No it's not we can change our mind and anyone who says differntly does not understand the way our democracy works. Another election a pro eu pary get elected and it can all change. Apart from anything else we live in a representative democracy the referendum was not legally binding but advisory. Give it enoughy time for the consequences of leaving the single market to sink in with the concomitant job loses rampant inflation and all the resdt and the only opnes still wanting tio leave will be the hardened brexiteers who9 donl;t have a brain cell amongst them. The leave campaign conned everybody give it time to sink in and stop believing the ninsense about how we can't change our mind.

    Realistically we'll end up on bended knees trying to get back in just as we were in the 1970's. BHut I rather hope it will; just be england and wales trying tio get back in the celtic nations have carried the english for too long.

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    Re: Tory MP's have the right priorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruv View Post
    I just can't see how being so totally anti helps.....now. The deal is done, we all voted, sucked in by the same politicians that promise the world every general election.
    We are in the same boat we must all pull together or we will surely sink.

    Remember I voted remain too.

    And irony of irony about that Iranian racist attack, the perpetrators were mostly of West Indian descent, not your average right wing bad boy.
    So what? They are just as capable of being corrupted as anyone else and just as susceptible to the lie that immigrants are taking their jobs, rather than taking jobs they can't or won't do.

    I hear quite a bit about how brexit will fail if Remainers don't support it. What a despicable slimy attempt to shift blame from the people responsible for brexit: BREXITERS. The people who voted for it without any sort of plan, without even having LOOKED at the possible risks, as admitted by that twat Davis recently, the morons who claimed that it would result in 350 million a week for the NHS, THEY are responsible for brexit, NOT the people who voted against it. If the venture is so desperate that a lack of support from 16.8 million people out of 65 million who think it's a mindboggling stupid thing to do will guarantee it's failure, it's a bloody useless idea, too fragile to cope with reality.

    These attempts to shift the blame from brexiters to Remainers (and also the BBC and the EU) demonstrate clearly the moral cowardice of those brexiters without the decency and character to even take responsibility for their own actions. "It's not us who are responsible for the disaster that is brexit," they squeal pathetically, "It's the Remainers for not supporting us."

    What's even more pathetic is brexiters can't actually say what support they want, other than Remainers to shut up.

    So what it comes down to is that brexiters claim brexit will fail without Remain support, but they have no clue what support they want other than silence from the opposition. I assume this is because they are bloody stupid, but there is a remote possibility it's because they'll then be able to blame Remainers for not doing whatever brexiters think they should have done with hindsight. Just to make sure that any disaster that follows brexit can't be brexiters' fault.

    ...and people seem surprised that I have a low opinion of brexiters.
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    Re: Tory MP's have the right priorities

    The support I would expect of myself if I had been on the losing side. To accept the result graciously, accept it to be the will of the people & move on. I was given the opportunity to have my say. I took that opportunity by placing my ballot. As it happened I was in the majority (in this area, quite a sizeable majority). Those who chose not to vote have no right to pass judgement either way (as with any election), but once the result is declared, that should be it. Accept it & move on towards the common good.

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    Re: Tory MP's have the right priorities

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    The support I would expect of myself if I had been on the losing side. To accept the result graciously, accept it to be the will of the people & move on. I was given the opportunity to have my say. I took that opportunity by placing my ballot. As it happened I was in the majority (in this area, quite a sizeable majority). Those who chose not to vote have no right to pass judgement either way (as with any election), but once the result is declared, that should be it. Accept it & move on towards the common good.

    This wasn't an election, with an electiuon you can do choose someone else next time. This was a referendum it was advosory not mandatory and I'm sick fed up with brexiteers telling us we have no choise but to just swallow it. Leaving the eu will have a catastophic effect on the future of this country to say we must make the best of it is irritating in the extreme. Maybe once ireland and scotland vote to leave the UK it might sink in.

    It wasn't the will of the people it was the will of those who actually voted another referendumk would see non voters out in droves and those whoi voted to leave as a protest vote will change their minds give them maybe two or so years from now when inflation is on double figures and it dawns on them that life on the dole in tory england is no joke. The irony is that those areas that voted to leave were the veryb ones that denefited most from th eu development fund if left to westminster the north would be grim indeed.

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    Re: Tory MP's have the right priorities

    Quote Originally Posted by FourPart View Post
    The support I would expect of myself if I had been on the losing side. To accept the result graciously, accept it to be the will of the people & move on. I was given the opportunity to have my say. I took that opportunity by placing my ballot. As it happened I was in the majority (in this area, quite a sizeable majority). Those who chose not to vote have no right to pass judgement either way (as with any election), but once the result is declared, that should be it. Accept it & move on towards the common good.
    Forget reasonable doubt, can anyone give me any reason to support brexit based on the virtues of brexit, or any way I can actively support it rather than just stop upsetting the delicate sensibilities of those who voted for this stupidity?

    Accepting the result is not support of brexit. I'm still waiting for an indication of how I support brexit. Not shut up, not go neutral, actively support.

    I think you'll have to get used to disappointment. It's going to be a big part of your future whether brexit happens or not unless you are one of the Don Quixotes saying any price is worth paying for freeeeeeedom! (It's a windmill...)

    Now we have a general election. It will be very interesting to see what happens. Given the tiny margin of victory in the referendum, it seems likely it is going to depend on those who didn't vote in that, but are motivated either way to vote brexit or Remain in the election.

    Lib Dems seem the only option for Remainers. Does that mean we'll end with a Tory, UKIP and Lib Dem Parliament?
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    Re: Tory MP's have the right priorities

    I wonder what would happen if a party could be rapidly formed as the "Stay in Europe Party" ?

    It could be a coalition and a party mixture or perhaps a single party with a leader that has the cojones to make such a stand.
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    Re: Tory MP's have the right priorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruv View Post
    I wonder what would happen if a party could be rapidly formed as the "Stay in Europe Party" ?

    It could be a coalition and a party mixture or perhaps a single party with a leader that has the cojones to make such a stand.
    Stay in europe stop privatising the NHS those two things alone would gather a lot of support. Trouble is the nright wing are winning the debate on the NHS people are staring to think we can't affiord it because we really need trident.

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    Stay in europe stop privatising the NHS those two things alone would gather a lot of support. Trouble is the nright wing are winning the debate on the NHS people are staring to think we can't affiord it because we really need trident.
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