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    Tory MP's have the right priorities

    UK passports could return to blue post-Brexit at a cost of £490 million - Top Stories - The New European

    “Our British identity was slowly but surely being submerged into an artificial European one that most Brits felt increasingly unhappy about.

    The humiliation of having a pink European Union passport will now soon be over and the United Kingdom nationals can once again feel pride and self-confidence in their own nationality when travelling, just as the Swiss and Americans can do.”


    If only it wasn't so tragic.

    meanwhile in the snp corner

    http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-...ting_1_4873145

    Choose Brexit. Choose making up numbers from thin air about the NHS and plastering them on the side of buses. Choose racist and xenophobic sentiments seeping out from some corners of the Leave campaign.

    “Choose hate crime rising by over 40% and LGBT hate crime by 150% in England and Wales following the Brexit vote. Choose taking the people of our nations to the polls on one of the most important issues of a generation with nothing written down and no plan.

    “Choose ignoring the interests of the people of Scotland and my constituents in Livingston despite the fact they voted overwhelmingly to Remain in the EU. Choose leaving the single market, risking 80,000 Scottish jobs within a decade and costing the people of Scotland an average of £2,000 a year in wages.

    “Choose lowering Scotland’s GDP by more than £10 billion and Scotland’s exports by more than £5 billion. Choose vital EU worker status being under threat with widespread uncertainty to family, businesses, and the economy.

    “Choose risking our international standing in the academic research and innovation communities as we lose access to funding, expertise, and people in the EU. Choose walking away from the European medicine association without any detail or thought of the impact.

    “Choose the great Brexit power grab, taking back control of straight bananas. Choose returning to the Thatcher era of poverty and austerity. Choose the UK turning its back on Europe. These, Mr Speaker, are not the choices that the Scottish people made.”
    Point to note she's not a remain MP she's SNP

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    Re: Tory MP's have the right priorities

    She got the nail straight on the head. Speaks for a fair few of us down here too.

    Ah well. There's still hope that as the reality of the mess the brexiters have dropped us in becomes apparent some of them at least will have enough sense to realise they were duped and change their mind. £ down, inflation up, wages stagnating and woohoo! workers rights environmental protections and other red tape now exposed to the far right of the tory party and their well known compassion.

    And for the country as a whole for the foreseeable future the choice is worse trade or MUCH worse trade conditions, combined with the fact that free movement of people seems to be a key demand of the Indians, for example, who Hammond is apparently talking to at present.

    It's going to take a long time to comprehend how brexiters could have been so stupid. The ones that aren't racist thugs, that is. Beating up refugees at huge odds, murdering people etc. It's their agenda the brexiters have advanced.
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    We'll be stupid if we let them get away with it. The temptation to punch those ignorant numpties trying to tell me we can't change our minds in a democracy is getting stronger all the time. How do UKIP would be MP's got interviewed on TV and appear on question time so much the snp have twenty times the number of votes they ever got not to mention 50 MP's in parliament - they are the third largest political party in westminster and the only half way articulate opposition to the tories. Labour have refused to work with the snp even where there is common ground against the tories and they wonder why they are almost dead in scotland. We are just not getting good political reporting at the moment.

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    So I can't help but wonder how all of this will reflect on travel in the next year or so. I was planning a trip for summer '18, and planned to take the wife on one of those river boats up the Rhine after a visit to the UK.

    Sounds like by then, between Brexit, and The Trumpster's travel restrictions and Euro backlash, I may want to give this another thought or two.
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    Re: Tory MP's have the right priorities

    You could equally say that regarding matters of Europe, if the MEP seats were representative of the House of Commons, we woud currently have a UKIP Government. Every single episode of Question Time since before the Referendum has been primarily all about Brexit (which, quite frankly, I find is getting rather boring - nothing new is being said - just rehashing the same old stuff). This being so, doesn't it make sense that they should have regular representation from the leading MEP Party, which happens to be UKIP? Similarly, where the leading topic is to do with Scotland you would expect to see members from SNP.

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    Re: Tory MP's have the right priorities

    Quote Originally Posted by FourPart View Post
    You could equally say that regarding matters of Europe, if the MEP seats were representative of the House of Commons, we woud currently have a UKIP Government. Every single episode of Question Time since before the Referendum has been primarily all about Brexit (which, quite frankly, I find is getting rather boring - nothing new is being said - just rehashing the same old stuff). This being so, doesn't it make sense that they should have regular representation from the leading MEP Party, which happens to be UKIP? Similarly, where the leading topic is to do with Scotland you would expect to see members from SNP.
    No we wouldn't UKIP have 12.6% of the total vote they even under PR wouldn't have enough seats to form a government the tories have around 36% they wopuldn't either we would have coalition government. I don't think you can really use european elections as a comparison people no matter how much it gladdens the heart of ukip supporters vote differently and even less bother with th eu elections than do the general elction. UKIP is the fascist party in all but name.

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    Re: Tory MP's have the right priorities

    Sounds like by then, between Brexit, and The Trumpster's travel restrictions and Euro backlash, I may want to give this another thought or two.
    Slightly bizarrely, it is probably a very good time to take a holiday here if you were thinking of it. The £ is low against the dollar and the trend remains downward, climate change means the weather is better if imo windier and although we are politically split there's no rioting or obvious trouble. Whether that will still be true if we really do brexit and it's anywhere near as bad as many of us fear is another question. Since it is generally accepted that brexit will make us poorer for a number of years at least (some brexiters believe everything will get better almost immediately) the place will probably look steadily seedier and more run down over the next few decades. At present I would say you are generally safer here than in the US with the ongoing mass shootings. In ten years time? No guarantees.

    I think the Rhine riverboat is a great idea. Fantastic scenery (mostly!) and great places to visit and in addition you are travelling one of the great European borders and trade routes, plied by Roman barges and prehistoric log dugouts. It's hard to imagine more history in one valley, except possibly the Danube (currently thought to be the route into Europe of the first humans). On the other hand the boats look like floating rabbit hutches.

    You could equally say that regarding matters of Europe, if the MEP seats were representative of the House of Commons, we woud currently have a UKIP Government.
    If MEP seats were representative of the House of Commons we would have no UKIP MEPS - the only one would recently have defected. Possibly to be remembered for joining UKIP as the only rat to jump onto a sinking ship. (We can hope)

    You think brexit boring? We haven't even started the negotiations: 2 years minimum. Then there is the transition period: anything from 1 day to 5 years at a guess. Then there's what? A decade while the consequences take effect and the we change in reaction to the new conditions - call it 50/50 whether that period is steadily better or worse. So there's anything from 2 to 17 years of brexit argument to come.

    At the end of it I think we will be shorn of influence, an unattractive investment option except for sweatshops and very possibly without Scotland. I don't think the rest of the world is lining up to do trade deals with us - they are out to take advantage of our weak position. Under successive tory governments we have sold just about everything we can sell, ironically often to foreign governments (for example the French are part owners of Nissan and our new nuclear power station, along with the Chinese) and when we lose access to the single market and the customs union we cease to be the attractive gateway to the EU we have been, with our opt outs and special deals.

    And do you think France, which owns (iirc) so much of our business, our water, our electricity, our transport and our nuclear power, is going to be more or less responsive to our concerns after we leave the EU?

    Still, we can hope that once the EU have pounded us a bit in the early negotiations to make the point to other members that leaving is a bad idea we can hope they are not motivated by greed to dismember our economy. There's a brexiter argument that says they won't harm us because eg BMW sells 170,000 cars a year in the UK and they couldn't afford to lose those sales, forgetting that they won't lose many sales since the sort of people who buy new BMWs aren't going to be deterred by a few thousand extra pounds on the price tag. In fact, because the only clear beneficiaries of brexit are the already very rich who really like low tax low service environments because although the low tax bit applies to them the low service doesn't - they go private here or fly or buy in from abroad for better treatment - they might actually be buying more BMWs with their extra cash. The rest of us won't. Since the NHS looks likely to be an early casualty - tory brexiter MPs already have their knives out - we'll be wondering if we can afford private health insurance (if we're lucky).
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    Re: Tory MP's have the right priorities

    Cloddy old boy.................we are in the process of splitting from the EU....................get over it.

    Saying that....................I voted to remain, pointing out all the possible problems isn't helping anything.
    Now a starter for 10.......................Is there no upside to leaving ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruv View Post
    Cloddy old boy.................we are in the process of splitting from the EU....................get over it.

    Saying that....................I voted to remain, pointing out all the possible problems isn't helping anything.
    Now a starter for 10.......................Is there no upside to leaving ?
    A second scottish referndum is now going to happen.
    It might politicise the populace enough that they take control back from the right wing fascists now ruining the country.
    You will get a more manly colour of passport.
    Nigel farage might get a knighthood hopefully uposetting enough people that the honours system gets scrapped

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    No we wouldn't UKIP have 12.6% of the total vote they even under PR wouldn't have enough seats to form a government the tories have around 36% they wopuldn't either we would have coalition government. I don't think you can really use european elections as a comparison people no matter how much it gladdens the heart of ukip supporters vote differently and even less bother with th eu elections than do the general elction. UKIP is the fascist party in all but name.
    UKIP have 26.77% of UK seats. Labour have 24.74% & Tories have 23.31%. It may not be overall control, but it's the majority Party on the 1st Past the Post basis (which the HoC is). Surely that, in itself, says something about the public's opinion of the EU. They only get one seat in HoC (which they have no longer), yet take the majority of the EU seats on the basis of being the Party that wants to get the UK out of the EU (which they have achieved quite successfully, I might add).

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