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    Re: Tory manifesto

    The SNP are the third largest party in terms of number of seats in the westminster parliament.

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/09/14...tish-politics/

    [QUOTE]Raw seat numbers make the SNP a powerful contender – with 54 MPs they are by far the largest of the parties listed in the Commons. They are also the party most likely to be considered by people to be a “main” British party, with 36% (71% in Scotland).

    Raw seat numbers make the SNP a powerful contender – with 54 MPs they are by far the largest of the parties listed in the Commons. They are also the party most likely to be considered by people to be a “main” British party, with 36% (71% in Scotland).

    Their potential is limited by the fact that they are a regional party – and that their region may not be a part of the UK for much longer. Whilst we didn’t survey to what extent people would consider voting SNP, we can calculate from the size of the Scottish electorate compared to the UK electorate as a whole that the maximum vote potential for the SNP is about 8.7%.
    What they actually do and say is vastluy different from what is reported in the mainstream media. For instance nicola sturgeon is NOT calling for a referendum now making theresa mays now is not the time for a second scottish referendum rather redundant. They also gained stas and councils in the recent local elections - the one that was portrayed as a win for the tories. The snp winning the number of seats they got last time surprised everybody including the snp themselves coming as it did after the no vote but the option of having a second referendum if there was a material change in circumstances was in their manifesto unlike theresa may they have a mandate to rule. Labour have commited electoral suicide in scotlanmd and still haven't worked out what went wrong.

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    The socialist economic model seems completely discredited in this country. Honestly I think it might be the best model for the UK (or whatever is left of it after brexit settles) to renationalise all strategic resources: transport, water, power and agriculture and run them not for profit. Keep the NHS, too - it's on its last legs now, brexit will be the death blow as things look at present. But we are looking at a high tax society, and most people won't vote for it.
    I wouldnl't say that every election more than two thirds of the voters vote against the tories and their policies it's only our warped electoral system that gets them elected.

    I don't understand why labour have not backed a second referendum once the details of the deal are known, that woul;d have got 48 million votes for a kick off plus all those who voted to leave as a way of protesting the status quo and are beginni9ong to grasp the consequences.

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    As long as the party members are behind him, and if he can win the election against the odds, he will hopefully carry the PLP with him.
    i don;t think they grasp how toxic a brand new labour is and how the tony blair effect lingfers on. You can trace the decline in the labour party from his a gordon browns time in office.

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    Re: Tory manifesto

    My understanding of the leftist brexit position is pretty vague. My suspicion is that Corbyn and his lot are basically brexit because they would find it hard to implement their economic model while constrained by EU budget rules. I actually think Corbyn did more harm to the Remain cause by his lacklustre campaigning than if he'd been openly and enthusiastically brexit. My impression is that he was there because he had to be as leader of a party that was generally Remain.
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    Re: Tory manifesto

    Quote Originally Posted by Clodhopper View Post
    My understanding of the leftist brexit position is pretty vague. My suspicion is that Corbyn and his lot are basically brexit because they would find it hard to implement their economic model while constrained by EU budget rules. I actually think Corbyn did more harm to the Remain cause by his lacklustre campaigning than if he'd been openly and enthusiastically brexit. My impression is that he was there because he had to be as leader of a party that was generally Remain.
    They're going to find it even harder after brexit especially if we just walk away from the single market.

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    Re: Tory manifesto

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    Yep.

    Bit of speculation: We know that May was mildly Remain. She claims that she needs a large majority to negotiate from a strong position. That seems a bit odd at first sight because the EU won't care if her majority is 1 or 1,000. However, if she gets a majority of say, 200, her government can ignore the brexit diehards in Parliament and by having the leading brexiters as the leaders of the exit process the finger is clearly pointed at them if they fail to deliver (despite attempts to blame Remainers and the BBC). Is she setting up to negotiate the softest possible brexit when the leading brexit bigmouths have failed to deliver on their promises?

    Let's not forget: We are due £350 million a week for the NHS and the exit negotiations will be easy. Johnson and Davis have told us so.
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