Unintelligibly illiterate BBC News article link text

theia · Post by **theia** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:55 am

spot;1395772 wrote: Malaysian company buys Battersea

Malaysian company buys Battersea Dogs' Home? Malaysian company buys Battersea MP? Malaysian company buys Battersea Park Tube Station? Malaysian company buys Battersea Arts Centre? Malaysian company buys Battersea Square?

Some stupid bloody work-experience school-leaver with all the academic qualifications of a Sergeant of Marines is wrecking the BBC Website with meaningless shorthand like this.

Following your link, as I did, it appears they have changed the headline

Post by **spot** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:56 am

theia;1395786 wrote: Following your link, as I did, it appears they have changed the headline

The headline on the article was always complete, what I quoted and complained about (there and throughout the thread) is the shortened text used to link to the story from other pages on the site.

Post by **spot** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:02 am

Like this...

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Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:23 am

It is, after all , a teaser, an appetizer, a clue to prick your curiosity.

I saw and read your earlier post and thought it was one for your anti BBC vendetta.......it said.

Shakespeare's Curtain Theatre remains found

Now THAT has to be read twice before the meaning is clear........or at least could have been put better.....although on the face of it, it is correct...............language is like that.

Post by **spot** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:44 am

I don't want the BBC News site to be anything but efficient and informative. I can arrange to be teased elsewhere whenever I'm inclined that way.

"Shakespeare's Curtain Theatre remains lost" would have been ambiguous, had that been the story.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:43 pm

spot;1395799 wrote: I don't want the BBC News site to be anything but efficient and informative. I can arrange to be teased elsewhere whenever I'm inclined that way.

"Shakespeare's Curtain Theatre remains lost" would have been ambiguous, had that been the story.

So vote with your feet/browser go elsewhere.

Post by **spot** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:07 pm

Bruv;1395819 wrote: So vote with your feet/browser go elsewhere.

I use other sites. This thread is just a drip more pressure on the BBC to get the content straight. There's no reason for it being screwy.

Post by **spot** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:39 am

I was totally bewildered by "Boyle defends Paralympic jokes". Katie Boyle? Susan Boyle?

It turns out to be some dyspeptic nonentity from Belfast of whom I've never heard. Why's that news at all? He's evidently a talentless git, leave him to drown in his own obscurity.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:47 am

She always was a feisty one that Katie Boyle. Always had a twinkle in her eye when giving out the Eurovision scores in French. I always had a thing about Katie

Frankie, who's Scottish, will probably get a slap one day

theia · Post by **theia** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:55 am

Snowfire;1402633 wrote: She always was a feisty one that Katie Boyle. Always had a twinkle in her eye when giving out the Eurovision scores in French. I always had a thing about Katie

Frankie, who's Scottish, will probably get a slap one day

Katie Boyle used to appear on Juke Box Jury (before your time, Snowfire) and she was so unsuited to it. I used to hate it when she was on the panel.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:01 am

spot;1402631 wrote: I was totally bewildered by "Boyle defends Paralympic jokes". Katie Boyle? Susan Boyle?

It turns out to be some dyspeptic nonentity from Belfast of whom I've never heard. Why's that news at all? He's evidently a talentless git, leave him to drown in his own obscurity.
Most of the Country knows who Frankie Boyle Is over Katie Boyle....

The mere fact that he's been plastered all over the media just days before gives a slight Indication as to who they mean.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:10 am

theia;1402635 wrote: Katie Boyle used to appear on Juke Box Jury (before your time, Snowfire) and she was so unsuited to it. I used to hate it when she was on the panel.

It's kind of you to say so but sadly I'm old enough to remember Juke Box Jury very well

theia · Post by **theia** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:12 am

Snowfire;1402639 wrote: It's kind of you to say so but sadly I'm old enough to remember Juke Box Jury very well

Maybe...but in black and white?

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:14 am

theia;1402641 wrote: Maybe...but in black and white?

Oh yes...625 lines....transmitted from Croydon as I remember. The horizontal hold would play up and roll untill Dad gave it a thump

Post by **spot** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:20 am

405 lines.

"I'll give it five".

theia · Post by **theia** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:24 am

spot;1402644 wrote: 405 lines.

"I'll give it five".

That was that Brummie girl on the other channel's show, wasn't it? :-5 I can't even remember her name or the name of the other show.

Oh but I can remember the horizontal hold!!

Post by **spot** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:28 am

Ready Steady Go, I imagine.

I wanted to be David Jacobs.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:30 am

At the time of its introduction the 405-line system was referred to as "high definition", which it was compared to earlier systems, although of lower definition than 625-line and later standards.

High definition eh ? I don't ever remember seeing Mr Pastry in Hi-Def

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:31 am

spot;1402644 wrote: 405 lines.

"I'll give it five".

Foive............................or it wouldn't be memorable

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:32 am

theia;1402645 wrote: That was that Brummie girl on the other channel's show, wasn't it? :-5 I can't even remember her name or the name of the other show.

Oh but I can remember the horizontal hold!!

Thank Your Lucky Stars

Post by **spot** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:43 am

theia;1402635 wrote: Katie Boyle used to appear on Juke Box Jury (before your time, Snowfire) and she was so unsuited to it. I used to hate it when she was on the panel.
It's niggling at me that someone else in the same unsuited boat did too and it won't go away until I remember who. Lady Lady Lady.... umm. Isobel Barnet.

theia · Post by **theia** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:03 am

Janice Nicholls (and I didn't Google)

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:41 pm

oscar;1402638 wrote: Most of the Country knows who Frankie Boyle Is over Katie Boyle....

The mere fact that he's been plastered all over the media just days before gives a slight Indication as to who they mean.

I'd assumed it referred to Danny - who's Frankie?

Post by **spot** » Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:42 pm

Bryn Mawr;1402982 wrote: I'd assumed it referred to Danny - who's Frankie?

Don't look at me, I'm still ignorant.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Sep 02, 2012 1:17 pm

Bryn Mawr;1402982 wrote: I'd assumed it referred to Danny - who's Frankie?

Frankie Boyle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:02 pm

oscar;1403006 wrote: Frankie Boyle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No wonder I've never heard of him!

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:28 pm

Bryn Mawr;1403055 wrote: No wonder I've never heard of him! He's what they call ' An alternative comedian'... He's very controversial and prior was the subject of a huge media debate for comments he made about Katie Price's disabled son.

As a panalist on ' Mock the Week' a satirical look at the weeks politics, they tend to muzzle him but he did a series of stand up called Tramadol nights or something that was awful. One of the crudest and most foul people on tv.

Post by **spot** » Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:34 pm

The country's seen slobs like that before, they haven't earned the label "comedian". The disgusting Ann Winterton, for one. That fat dead bastard for another. Jim Davidson for a third.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:45 pm

oscar;1403068 wrote: He's what they call ' An alternative comedian'... He's very controversial and prior was the subject of a huge media debate for comments he made about Katie Price's disabled son.

As a panalist on ' Mock the Week' a satirical look at the weeks politics, they tend to muzzle him but he did a series of stand up called Tramadol nights or something that was awful. One of the crudest and most foul people on tv.

Having seen Roy "Chubby" Brown I know the type and I'm not surprised that I do not know the individual - long may that continue.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:40 am

Frankie Boyle is nothing like Chubby Brown or Jim Davidson.......in my opinion.

Chubby Brown is an acquired taste, Jim Davidson requires a lack of taste.

Frankie Boyle is worth a try if you like 'challenging' humour, I do.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:06 am

Bruv;1403145 wrote: Frankie Boyle is nothing like Chubby Brown or Jim Davidson.......in my opinion.

Chubby Brown is an acquired taste, Jim Davidson requires a lack of taste.

Frankie Boyle is worth a try if you like 'challenging' humour, I do. He can be rightly termed as a ' Comedian' based on the fact that he Is amusing to some. Not to me but some people find him funny and his stand up's are sell out shows.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:12 am

Bryn Mawr;1403071 wrote: Having seen Roy "Chubby" Brown I know the type and I'm not surprised that I do not know the individual - long may that continue.

Approx 7 years I was at my companies quarterly conference. They always laid on 'team bonding' entertainment which was always huge fun and we always looked forward to what new surprise we were to get. The best was an African drum team came In and we all found bongo drums on our seats when we returned from lunch... the team took us through a routine step by step and then we had to do It all together.. huge fun seeing business men In suits with drums between their legs.... another time we had an Indian dance group who took us through a traditional dance routine of Bangla beat which I loved... so we were all anticipating the next quarters entertainment and they wheeled out Chubby Brown....I can say hand on heart he did not raise one lonesome laugh out of 300 people... It was awful... lead balloon or what??? At one point he asked If we were offended and someone just shouted out ' No.. your just not funny... whip round for Mr Brown's bus fare.... that got a laugh !!!

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:22 am

Bruv;1403145 wrote: Frankie Boyle is nothing like Chubby Brown or Jim Davidson.......in my opinion.

Chubby Brown is an acquired taste, Jim Davidson requires a lack of taste.

Frankie Boyle is worth a try if you like 'challenging' humour, I do.

I'd generally agree with that. I'm not easily offended but Davidson is from a time I'd hoped had long since gone...and forgotten

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:40 am

Snowfire;1403183 wrote: I'd generally agree with that. I'm not easily offended but Davidson is from a time I'd hoped had long since gone...and forgotten Do you remember the time Davidson said In his stand up.... " If you girls put out more, you wouldn't get raped would you"? It was years ago but I remember the media backlash... I think It was that which ruined him In the end.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:58 am

oscar;1403184 wrote: Do you remember the time Davidson said In his stand up.... " If you girls put out more, you wouldn't get raped would you"? It was years ago but I remember the media backlash... I think It was that which ruined him In the end.

I lost count the times I cringed every time he opened his mouth

TÃ½r · Post by **TÃ½r** » Mon May 06, 2013 4:58 am

A novel use of the word "victim"...

BBC News - Cornwall speedboat crash victim was BSkyB executive

I do wish the BBC would employ adequate sub-editors for its news website. Turning words on their head like this is shoddy practice.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Mon May 06, 2013 9:46 am

TÃ½r;1426215 wrote: A novel use of the word "victim"...

BBC News - Cornwall speedboat crash victim was BSkyB executive

I do wish the BBC would employ adequate sub-editors for its news website. Turning words on their head like this is shoddy practice.

What dictionary are you using and what word would you have used instead?

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon May 06, 2013 12:15 pm

TÃ½r;1426215 wrote: A novel use of the word "victim"...

BBC News - Cornwall speedboat crash victim was BSkyB executive

I do wish the BBC would employ adequate sub-editors for its news website. Turning words on their head like this is shoddy practice.

How can you read such a report taking note of missuse of language ?

Especially since you have no real idea so far of why the tragedy happened.

TÃ½r · Post by **TÃ½r** » Mon May 06, 2013 2:03 pm

I find it impossible to use the words "leisure speedboat" in the context of a holiday beach without including "grotesquely antisocial" in the same paragraph. What happened, Bruv, is that someone brought a leisure speedboat near a holiday beach. Had the tagline said "Cornwall speedboat crash victim was schoolgirl" I'd not have demurred. No doubt an inquest will reveal the fine detail of what occurred. The finding will make no difference at all as far as the abuse of the word "victim" is concerned.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon May 06, 2013 10:39 pm

TÃ½r;1426248 wrote: I find it impossible to use the words "leisure speedboat" in the context of a holiday beach without including "grotesquely antisocial" in the same paragraph. What happened, Bruv, is that someone brought a leisure speedboat near a holiday beach. Had the tagline said "Cornwall speedboat crash victim was schoolgirl" I'd not have demurred. No doubt an inquest will reveal the fine detail of what occurred. The finding will make no difference at all as far as the abuse of the word "victim" is concerned.
Let us be grateful the BBC writer's personal bias and idiosyncrasies doesn't flavour the use of language.

TÃ½r · Post by **TÃ½r** » Tue May 07, 2013 6:01 am

Bruv;1426277 wrote: Let us be grateful the BBC writer's personal bias and idiosyncrasies doesn't flavour the use of language.

It isn't personal bias or idiosyncrasy, it's reasoned. I don't own a Â£100,000 speedboat and drive it back and forth off a public beach used by swimmers, divers, rowers and dinghyists, because I'm neither that extremely selfish nor that extreme a risk-taker. I honestly don't think "grotesquely antisocial" is out of place in this discussion.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue May 07, 2013 6:21 am

TÃ½r;1426248 wrote: I find it impossible to use the words "leisure speedboat" in the context of a holiday beach without including "grotesquely antisocial" in the same paragraph. What happened, Bruv, is that someone brought a leisure speedboat near a holiday beach. Had the tagline said "Cornwall speedboat crash victim was schoolgirl" I'd not have demurred. No doubt an inquest will reveal the fine detail of what occurred. The finding will make no difference at all as far as the abuse of the word "victim" is concerned.

I am In total agreement with you on this one. ( oh the shock )

From all I have read, the driver ( If that's what you call him ) was as reckless as anyone driving a car drunk and at speed.

I agree, this was a form of antisocial behaviour with no regard to anyone else In the water.

The child was not a victim as such. Her death was due to the recklessness of others ie her Father.

TÃ½r · Post by **TÃ½r** » Tue May 07, 2013 7:53 am

I'd describe a victim as someone who suffers the consequences of events over which he has no control and to which he gives no informed consent. I can't see how she fails to qualify.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue May 07, 2013 8:06 am

TÃ½r;1426300 wrote: I'd describe a victim as someone who suffers the consequences of events over which he has no control and to which he gives no informed consent. I can't see how she fails to qualify. I have to agree with you.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue May 07, 2013 10:04 am

Sigh !!!!!

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue May 07, 2013 10:15 am

TÃ½r;1426248 wrote: I find it impossible to use the words "leisure speedboat" in the context of a holiday beach without including "grotesquely antisocial" in the same paragraph. What happened, Bruv, is that someone brought a leisure speedboat near a holiday beach. Had the tagline said "Cornwall speedboat crash victim was schoolgirl" I'd not have demurred. No doubt an inquest will reveal the fine detail of what occurred. The finding will make no difference at all as far as the abuse of the word "victim" is concerned.

vicÂ·tim

[vik-tim]

noun

1.

a person who suffers from a destructive or injurious action or agency: a victim of an automobile accident.

If you drive a car in to a tree and die you are a victim in a road traffic accident even if your own stupidity caused it. If you are going to make inane points about semantics at least make sure you are correct.

TÃ½r · Post by **TÃ½r** » Tue May 07, 2013 10:15 am

Bruv;1426319 wrote: Sigh !!!!!

If I loaded up a 4x4 with children and drove it as fast as I could back and forth across a municipal park for kicks I expect you'd criticize my lack of responsibility.

TÃ½r · Post by **TÃ½r** » Tue May 07, 2013 11:39 am

gmc;1426321 wrote: If you drive a car in to a tree and die you are a victim in a road traffic accident even if your own stupidity caused it. If you are going to make inane points about semantics at least make sure you are correct.

I'm not sure why you throw in these occasion two-pennorth. I could see the point if you were occasionally right but you never are. Nobody could reasonably say Joachim von Ribbentrop was a victim of the Nuremberg Trials, for example, though he undoubtedly suffered from that destructive or injurious agency. He wasn't a victim because he was himself personally responsible for his being tried there. I can't think of any "victim" status which survives that test of personal responsibility for the circumstances which led to the event.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue May 07, 2013 11:55 am

I still agree with tyr on this one.

There Is a world of difference between a ' victim ' and death as a result of cause.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue May 07, 2013 12:14 pm

Has the bloody "Cause" been discovered yet ?

Why does a pleasure speedboat continue it's perambulations when no one is at it's controls ?