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Ever wake up in the morning and the first words out of your mouth is *OUCH!*

You fell asleep in the usual position and yet woke up with a stiff neck, back or in my recent case a shoulder?

What a pain :yh_rotfl

yes, just this morning

interesting you'd mention it..:wah:

I've tried all my home remedies - still sore.

it actually pisses me off - really - like now I need this..:yh_rotfl

Patsy

Patsy Warnick;1447753 wrote: yes, just this morning

interesting you'd mention it..:wah:

I've tried all my home remedies - still sore.

it actually pisses me off - really - like now I need this..:yh_rotfl

Patsy Have you tried a memory foam pillow ?

Didn't work for me but my dog thinks It's great,

Doesn't matter what position I sleep in, my right elbow is guaranteed to hurt like a mofo.

Snooz;1447763 wrote: Doesn't matter what position I sleep in, my right elbow is guaranteed to hurt like a mofo.


try rubbing a bit of Ben-Gay or something like that on it.

And stop doing midnight push ups on your elbows!:)

Maybe I'm sleep-sexing. And don't remember a thing!

Thanks for the balloons.

Snooz;1447888 wrote: Maybe I'm sleep-sexing. And don't remember a thing!

Thanks for the balloons.


Did you know that when you drift off into REM (rapid eye movement - dream state) sleep, that most of your muscle have no strength and they are paralyzed preventing individuals from acting out their dreams. Which probably is a good thing! (the human body is absolutely amazing!) But have you ever woken up in the middle of a dream and tried to scream out and you can't - tried to move and you are frighten cuz you can't escape what ever harm or demon is there! Scary stuff!

It's called Sleep Paralysis.

Sleep Paralysis Symptoms, Treatment, and Causes

Every now and then I experience this; usually after having a long stressful day.

Have any of you ever experience this?

No, I don't recall ever having that happen. I've had a lot of lucid dreaming though... something scary is chasing me and after a while, I turn around and punch it in the snoot. I wake up feeling pretty good after that.

Snooz;1448374 wrote: No, I don't recall ever having that happen. I've had a lot of lucid dreaming though... something scary is chasing me and after a while, I turn around and punch it in the snoot. I wake up feeling pretty good after that.


Hahahahaha!

I bet you do! :yh_rotfl

I don't why there was a time as well when I wake up having this headache.

Lady J;1448372 wrote: Did you know that when you drift off into REM (rapid eye movement - dream state) sleep, that most of your muscle have no strength and they are paralyzed preventing individuals from acting out their dreams. Which probably is a good thing! (the human body is absolutely amazing!) But have you ever woken up in the middle of a dream and tried to scream out and you can't - tried to move and you are frighten cuz you can't escape what ever harm or demon is there! Scary stuff!

It's called Sleep Paralysis.

Sleep Paralysis Symptoms, Treatment, and Causes

Every now and then I experience this; usually after having a long stressful day.

Have any of you ever experience this?
Not quite. The article states that you might only have this once in your lifetime, or frequently. I, for instance have always been know to sleepwalk, but always with some sort of intent from living out a dream - which can potentially be rather embarassing at times - like the time I woke up at the moment I was about to enter a neighbour's door across the passageway - naked - believing it to be mine.

Then there was the time last year when during the aftermath of an epileptic seizure I found myself - or more to the point, was found wandering around outside the block (once again totally naked), lost & confused. Fortunately the person who found me (or at least the one to actually take notice & help) was an off-duty paramedic who lives in this block. I suppose anyone else might have thought I was some drunk & stayed well out of my way. He, on the other hand recognised the symptoms immediately & after getting me home called the ambulance, who came to check me out, but agreed it wasn't necessary to take me into hospital as all I needed to do was to sleep it off.

After seeing the C4 documentary "CCTV: Caught On Camera", I can't help but wonder what the Concierge Monitors must have thought at the time.

I love Lucid Dreaming, though, as I can get to live out my wildest fantasies, just as if they were real, secure in the knowledge that it's only a dream.

Lady J;1447752 wrote: Ever wake up in the morning and the first words out of your mouth is *OUCH!*

You fell asleep in the usual position and yet woke up with a stiff neck, back or in my recent case a shoulder?

What a pain :yh_rotfl
I've woke up with a stiff neck before many times, but last week my neck was so sore on the left side, that when I woke up that I couldn't hardly turn my neck. It's the first time in my life that I couldn't go in to work and ended up pretty much housebound for two days until it started getting better.

As I get closer to 60, I wonder is this part of the joys of aging? Like the stiff back I wake up with every morning...and have to move slowly and carefully to prevent spasms...or not being able to sleep through the night without making a trip to the bathroom!

What do I have to look forward to if I make it to 80? Up till now, I've been able to maintain a relatively high fitness level, but the 50 mile bike rides may be coming to an end.

First thing in the morning I put an ice pack on my lower back.

About an hour before bedtime I put an ice pack on my lower back & another one below my neck. It helps cut the stiffness & inflammation.

Thanks for letting me know what I have to look forward to in the future, and the extra steps I will have to take to prevent injury. So far, I always feel fine when I go to bed/ it's when I get up that the problems start! This is a big reason why...since by seniority, I have a fair amount of choice regarding shifts that I work, I always avoid day shifts. I don't want to have to get up 2 hours before work just so I'm okay going in to work.

I haven't really planned much so far....more like I've learned through trial and error, that if I get up out of bed sort of hunched over like Quasimodo for the first five minutes or so, and don't try to stand up straight, or make any sudden movements.... I won't feel a spasm pulling on either side for the rest of the day!

My back problems started about 25 years ago with a serious back injury....made much worse than it should have I might add, because I was playing some pickup hockey when I felt a sharp pain go up my back and down my thigh, when I tried to push off quick and sprint to stop a breakaway. If I had known better, I should have left the ice and went home, because it didn't seem to be hurting me afterwards that night...and the next morning, I couldn't get out of bed. Since then, I've learned from others, that any sharp pain that radiates, should never be ignored, even if it seems to go away later....but that was information I wish I knew beforehand.

For the most part, I haven't changed much of my routine over the years, except being forced to be extra careful lifting anything and slow down the pace running or cycling etc.. Hockey definitely had to be crossed off my activities list though! That was a hard one, because my friends and even my older brothers were still playing hockey at the time. I just could never feel comfortable again stepping out onto the ice.

I should mention also that back when I had my injury, my family doctor was totally useless...unless prescribing muscle relaxants and painkillers counts! Fortunately, I got hooked up with a very good physiotherapist, who assessed my needs and told me I should strive to be as active as possible, and keep daily records of what helps/what makes the problem worse etc. Her assessment was that most people should strive to get back to their pre-injury routine as soon as possible...even through the pain and the spasms! But, since my injury was caused out on the ice, she advised giving up hockey and even being careful skating, since pushing off in a sprint, puts a high load on the lower back. A high percentage of her patient list had been hockey players and former hockey players....as it seems to be a sport where you'll end up with a back or knee injuries that keep getting worse with age.

And, being active is an advantage when it comes to how successful someone can deal with the injury throughout their life...she warned me that this one would never really go away, and I would have to continue dealing with problems associated with a shifting and settling spinal column for life...and since then, I've lost almost 2 inches in height, but I'm still doing most of what I love to do....at a reduced pace.

One more thing I could add, is that I did have a few sessions with a chiropractor back when I was injured also, since I had to wait a significant amount of time to start the physiotherapy sessions. The chiropractic did work, but the physiotherapist showed me a few exercises and techniques to pull out of a spasm when necessary. That was something that the chiropractor never did; and...I know some people are really big on chiropractic, but I have heard a similar thing from others....including my wife, who had been seeing a chiropractor about her shoulder and neck problems. Everything feels fine after leaving the chiropractor's office, but makes no effort to teach patients or clients things they can do on their own to fix a problem! Maybe it's a matter of trying to keep a return business, since they work in private practice, while the physiotherapists work through the Medicare system out of the hospitals; and typically have more patients than they can deal with....so teaching patients how to manage their conditions and reduce the number of return visits is to their advantage also.

It seems my sleep preference is sleeping on my right side. Hubby and I do "spoon" while we are falling asleep. He likes to lightly run his fingers through my hair, which I don't mind as long as there is no pulling.

Sometimes I do wake up with a neck cramp.

I've got an appointment with the Othopaedic Specialist at the local G.P. Surgery tomorrow regarding a pain in my shoulder that's getting steadily worse. It's already made me cut my swimming short last week, and completely stopped me from going this week. I was hoping it was just going to be a minor sprain that would simply pass on in its own time, with a bit of rest, but when I mentioned it to my Diet Nurse, she booked me in as an Urgent Case for tomorrow afternoon, as opposed to the usual having to wait about 10 days.

recovering conservative;1459141 wrote:

One more thing I could add, is that I did have a few sessions with a chiropractor back when I was injured also, since I had to wait a significant amount of time to start the physiotherapy sessions. The chiropractic did work, but the physiotherapist showed me a few exercises and techniques to pull out of a spasm when necessary. That was something that the chiropractor never did; and...I know some people are really big on chiropractic, but I have heard a similar thing from others....including my wife, who had been seeing a chiropractor about her shoulder and neck problems. Everything feels fine after leaving the chiropractor's office, but makes no effort to teach patients or clients things they can do on their own to fix a problem!


Didn't your chiropractor give you exercises to do? I don't see mine to often any more for back problems cuz he gave me some great back stretches and exercises~ I will scan them for everyone. I do them every morning and they make a huge difference!

I am currently seeing him for an 'over use injury' but even then he gave me exercises to help...and taped me up with a very cool customized nerve Band-Aid!

along-for-the-ride;1459188 wrote: It seems my sleep preference is sleeping on my right side. Hubby and I do "spoon" while we are falling asleep. He likes to lightly run his fingers through my hair, which I don't mind as long as there is no pulling.

Sometimes I do wake up with a neck cramp.
You crazy kids! Now I've got to look up what "spooning" is!

Lady J;1459219 wrote: Didn't your chiropractor give you exercises to do? I don't see mine to often any more for back problems cuz he gave me some great back stretches and exercises~ I will scan them for everyone. I do them every morning and they make a huge difference!

I am currently seeing him for an 'over use injury' but even then he gave me exercises to help...and taped me up with a very cool customized nerve Band-Aid!
No, he claimed that spinal adjustment sessions would eventually fix my spinal column and associated nerve damage problems. But, in fairness, I have learned since then, that there is a wide variation in the chiropractic care business, with some being outright quacks...claiming spinal manipulation can even cure disease and advising patients not to vaccinate their kids - to chiropractors who at least act like professionals, and provide good physiotherapy at least.

But, at its best, I think the chiropractic field has a problem similar to homeopathic medicine - both systems filled a void in knowledge and understanding about the body and basic biology 100 to 200 years ago, and are trying to update systems based on 18th century vitalism, and keep them relevant today.

recovering conservative;1459222 wrote: You crazy kids! Now I've got to look up what "spooning" is!
Be careful of what sides you use - it is a recognised position after all.

FourPart;1459269 wrote: Be careful of what sides you use - it is a recognised position after all.


It's just one more of those things that I didn't know had names! I thought it was just 'trying to talk her into having sex.'

Actually I meant "Be careful of what SITES you use", but in this case I imagine either is applicable.

recovering conservative;1459222 wrote: You crazy kids! Now I've got to look up what "spooning" is!


In the 1920's, "spooning" was a euphmism for kissing.

However, more commonly, this refers to two people lying down next to each other, on their sides. Both people are facing the same direction (i.e. both are on their left side, or both are on their right side). Typically, their bodies are arched slightly, and they kind of fit together like two spoons, hence the term "spooning". The taller person would typically be in the "back" (i.e. usually the man). Often he would put his arm around her waist, etc.

Now I suppose two people could "spoon", say on a couch, and it simply be cuddling (i.e. loving and non-sexual). However, often a couple will have sex and afterwards will "spoon", basking in the afterglow and cuddling, etc.



:wah:

Hubby and I have been married for 17 years.

along-for-the-ride;1459303 wrote: In the 1920's, "spooning" was a euphmism for kissing.

However, more commonly, this refers to two people lying down next to each other, on their sides. Both people are facing the same direction (i.e. both are on their left side, or both are on their right side). Typically, their bodies are arched slightly, and they kind of fit together like two spoons, hence the term "spooning". The taller person would typically be in the "back" (i.e. usually the man). Often he would put his arm around her waist, etc.

Now I suppose two people could "spoon", say on a couch, and it simply be cuddling (i.e. loving and non-sexual). However, often a couple will have sex and afterwards will "spoon", basking in the afterglow and cuddling, etc.



:wah:

Hubby and I have been married for 17 years.


Very happy for you! It's great to know love and all that it gives and takes! :yh_flower

recovering conservative;1459223 wrote: No, he claimed that spinal adjustment sessions would eventually fix my spinal column and associated nerve damage problems. But, in fairness, I have learned since then, that there is a wide variation in the chiropractic care business, with some being outright quacks...claiming spinal manipulation can even cure disease and advising patients not to vaccinate their kids - to chiropractors who at least act like professionals, and provide good physiotherapy at least.

But, at its best, I think the chiropractic field has a problem similar to homeopathic medicine - both systems filled a void in knowledge and understanding about the body and basic biology 100 to 200 years ago, and are trying to update systems based on 18th century vitalism, and keep them relevant today.


You need to get a new chiropractor! Mine gives me exercises and you have to do them before you leave his office. He has trained PT to assist you to make sure you are doing them correctly. they urge you to do these excises to insure complete repair.

I am currently seeing him for a over-use injury of my right calf....long story and too boring...but he is using a procedure that even my Primary Care Doctor said would work...it is....slowly but I am told that I am no longer young!!!! Hate that!:-5

along-for-the-ride;1459303 wrote: In the 1920's, "spooning" was a euphmism for kissing.

However, more commonly, this refers to two people lying down next to each other, on their sides. Both people are facing the same direction (i.e. both are on their left side, or both are on their right side). Typically, their bodies are arched slightly, and they kind of fit together like two spoons, hence the term "spooning". The taller person would typically be in the "back" (i.e. usually the man). Often he would put his arm around her waist, etc.

Now I suppose two people could "spoon", say on a couch, and it simply be cuddling (i.e. loving and non-sexual). However, often a couple will have sex and afterwards will "spoon", basking in the afterglow and cuddling, etc.



:wah:

Hubby and I have been married for 17 years.
thank you. I really did look it up! But you provided a few more details. Like I said, it was just something I didn't know had a name...I guess there's terminology describing everything these days.

Lady J;1459309 wrote: You need to get a new chiropractor! Mine gives me exercises and you have to do them before you leave his office. He has trained PT to assist you to make sure you are doing them correctly. they urge you to do these excises to insure complete repair.

I am currently seeing him for a over-use injury of my right calf....long story and too boring...but he is using a procedure that even my Primary Care Doctor said would work...it is....slowly but I am told that I am no longer young!!!! Hate that!:-5


Thanks. I may have to go this route. Like I said in a long, earlier post, I have been managing my back issues on my own relatively well for the past...almost three decades. It's only been in the last couple of years, after a long period where flareups became less frequent, less painful, and shorter duration, that I started noticing the opposite trend - where I am more likely to notice minor back pain after I've been up for an hour or so.

I might start asking around, since I know quite a few people my age who see chiropractors. If I see a chiropractor, it will be for physiotherapy issues....I don't want the extra baggage that comes along with some of these practitioners. I would just see a physiotherapist, but the problem is that first, I would have to go through my family doctor, and go through the process of setting up sessions with a physiotherapist. That's likely most of the reason why chiropractors are in business! You can just call and set up an appointment without any red tape.