British Rule In India

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by spot

The mistakes made by the Bush administration are like nothing anyone in the world has ever done before even once, much less over and over again. They collectively committed treason to incense domestic public opinion into allowing the country's armed forces' despatch into the Middle East. You should be ashamed for doing nothing to bring them to justice. How you can try diverting attention elsewhere in an attempt to defend them leaves me both baffled and scornful.

Is this list a fair assessment of recent historys most treacherous and malignant stains on the people of the world ?

Tony Blair
George W Bush
Adolph Hitler
Joseph Stalin
Benito Mussolini
Francisco Franco
Robert Mugabe
Muammar al Gaddafi
Jean Bedel
Idi Amin

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by gmc

But you're a christian nation, the result of us don't believe in god or satan-can't have one without the other. or Haven't you been watching the religious channels? That makes the US the only likely candidate for satan's asistant.

Uncle sam in tights and tutu helping the great magician satan. The image seems odd somehow.

Not as odd as spock would have you believe.

[gmc]

Originally Posted by Nomad

Not as odd as spock would have you believe.

Ah what would spock have made of GW-no prime directive restrictions for him were there

posted by nomad

My few examples of similar British acts of deviating from accepted morality dont cause you alarm or outrage ?
Your bias clouds your objectivity.

Course I can't speak for spot But If you can only find a few you're not looking very hard. perfidious albion has always been a sneaky self interested creature. We're nasty shits and at one point or other have been at war with everybody on the planet-even had a cod war with the icelanders. Fish supers at ten paces.

Are you outraged by americans deviating from accepted morality not cause you alarm and ourtrage? Are you not ashamed that you didn't end slavery until the 1860's, that native americans were declared to be aliens in a country that was taken from them by force. That your government was carrying out medical experiments on it's own population without them knowing and without their consent-clinton finally apologised only in 1997 to those who managed to survive.

Online NewsHour: Tuskegee Experiment and Apology -- May 16, 1997

No wonder Americans are so obsessed with conspiracy theories-the reality can be even more frightening.

If you're not outraged by your own history why should we expect us to be? We are not responsible for what has happened in the past any more than you are culpable for all the misery inflicted by the united states in it's expansion west and capturing it's colonies.

This is now our time so how do you feel about the same kind of things being done in your name? being lied to by your government and conned in to going to a war that arguably was not necessary?

At least in the days of the empire it was "honest" imperialism and a grab for resources and wealth. At the time there were in fact many who objected and protested and fought for change a brief glance through our social history will show you what I mean. in 1947 the british people turned our back on empire wholesale and voted in a socialist government. You got macarthyism and a climate of fear that still haunts you.

There were a great many who objected us getting involved in Iraq but we have faults with our political system that allow our politicians to get away with it. Speaking personally i would not justify our involvement in Iraq, I've objected since day one and we should not be involved in Afghanistan either. I hate Tony blair an his bum chum gordon brown. I can say that in the UK withouit being accused of being unpatriotic and hating the UK. Look at the bile heaped on those who opposed the invasion of iraq in the states and the accusations of treason and of being unamerican. (OK I'll concede I may not have an acrate picture)

At least Bush acted in what he thought were america's interests. **** knows what blair was doing-perhaps he just fancied the roughty toughty texan( he went to an all boys public school and they are all a bit suspect ) but I don't think it has been in our interests at all.

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[Nomad]

Originally Posted by gmc

Ah what would spock have made of GW-no prime directive restrictions for him were there

posted by nomad

Yes. An emphatic yes !

Without question. Im ashamed.

Are we conspiracy theorists in general ? I havent encountered that as a norm.

Your missing the point Im trying to make in entirety. We all have shame. Spock has been blaming America for the worlds woes without accepting responsibility for his own countries actions. Fine blame the US. I do. I detest many of the things weve done "with God on our side"
But he cant be taken seriously unless he presents a full true and accurate portrayal of the worlds atrocities.

No doubt the recipients of Englands quest felt the same. Theyre killing us and stealing our land sure but its HONEST !

At least Bush acted in what he thought were america's interests. **** knows what blair was doing-perhaps he just fancied the roughty toughty texan( he went to an all boys public school and they are all a bit suspect ) but I don't think it has been in our interests at all.

Bush started out on the right track. But then he ****ed it all up. There should never have been an Iraq. Certainly there didnt have to be a full blown invasion in Afghanistan but we had the right to hunt down and slaughter the ones that pled guilty to flying planes into our buildings and killing innocents.
Bush ****ed everything up. Cheney ****ed everything up. Rumsfeld ****ed everything up. The CIA ****ed everything up.
No argument from me.
But if what you want is resolution then you have to be willing to accept personal responsibility.
Thats all Ive been asking for.

[oscar]

Originally Posted by Nomad

Bush started out on the right track. But then he ****ed it all up. There should never have been an Iraq. Certainly there didnt have to be a full blown invasion in Afghanistan but we had the right to hunt down and slaughter the ones that pled guilty to flying planes into our buildings and killing innocents.Bush ****ed everything up. Cheney ****ed everything up. Rumsfeld ****ed everything up. The CIA ****ed everything up.
No argument from me.
But if what you want is resolution then you have to be willing to accept personal responsibility.
Thats all Ive been asking for.

Could you perhaps then explain something that i have asked many times on other threads and never get an answer?
The pilots in the 9/11 planes were Saudi..... Why did Bush not invade Saudi?

Al-Queda is not limited to one country that we can invade and bomb the shyte out of innocent civilians for. All nationalities have extremists that belong to Al-Queda. We have them here and they brought about The London Tube Bombings. Out of interest?.... What would Bush have done if the pilots had been English?

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by oscar

Could you perhaps then explain something that i have asked many times on other threads and never get an answer?
The pilots in the 9/11 planes were Saudi..... Why did Bush not invade Saudi?

Al-Queda is not limited to one country that we can invade and bomb the shyte out of innocent civilians for. All nationalities have extremists that belong to Al-Queda. We have them here and they brought about The London Tube Bombings. Out of interest?.... What would Bush have done if the pilots had been English?

They originated from Saudi Arabia but were stationed all over the world. Atta was in Germany others were in Afghanistan. Bin Laden himself was Saudi but his country renounced him. The event wasnt Saudi sanctioned.
Saudi ties were coincidental.

[oscar]

Originally Posted by Nomad

They originated from Saudi Arabia but were stationed all over the world. Atta was in Germany others were in Afghanistan. Bin Laden himself was Saudi but his country renounced him. The event wasnt Saudi sanctioned.
Saudi ties were coincidental.

If my memory serves me correctly, after 9/11 Bush demanded that Afghanistan handed over Bin Laden. I have always had the theory that they couldn't have handed him over even if they wanted to. He was long gone over the borders into Syria or Pakistan if he was ever there in the first place. We had no reason in my eyes to ever be in Afghan let alone 5 years later when there is still no sign of him or any hard evidence that the Taliban is linked to Al-Queda. Obama may be withdrawing from Iraq but i read that he intends to send thousands more troops in Afghan...... For what?

[gmc]

Originally Posted by oscar

Could you perhaps then explain something that i have asked many times on other threads and never get an answer?
The pilots in the 9/11 planes were Saudi..... Why did Bush not invade Saudi?

Al-Queda is not limited to one country that we can invade and bomb the shyte out of innocent civilians for. All nationalities have extremists that belong to Al-Queda. We have them here and they brought about The London Tube Bombings. Out of interest?.... What would Bush have done if the pilots had been English?

What would Bush have done if the pilots had been English

probably invade Scotland as we are the ones with the oil and he wants revenge for a scot successfuly taking the American oil companies to court for pinching his patents on the oil refining process.

Because they were selling the opil and bush's mates were happpily doing business with the saudi royal family. Iraq n the other hand has 20% of the world's oil reserves and they wanted control of it. Don't kid yourself there is any higher motive in all of this. In another age iot would be seen as imperialism-nowadays we have economic imperialism

NATIONAL JOURNAL: Key Bush Intelligence Briefing Kept From Hill Panel (11/22/05)

posted by nomad

They originated from Saudi Arabia but were stationed all over the world. Atta was in Germany others were in Afghanistan. Bin Laden himself was Saudi but his country renounced him. The event wasnt Saudi sanctioned.
Saudi ties were coincidental.

Some coincidence though. Best way to stop a terrorist is cut their source of finance. Wonder what saudi is doing about that?

[oscar]

Originally Posted by gmc

probably invade Scotland as we are the ones with the oil and he wants revenge for a scot successfuly taking the American oil companies to court for pinching his patents on the oil refining process.

Because they were selling the opil and bush's mates were happpily doing business with the saudi royal family. Iraq n the other hand has 20% of the world's oil reserves and they wanted control of it. Don't kid yourself there is any higher motive in all of this. In another age iot would be seen as imperialism-nowadays we have economic imperialism

NATIONAL JOURNAL: Key Bush Intelligence Briefing Kept From Hill Panel (11/22/05)

posted by nomad


Some coincidence though. Best way to stop a terrorist is cut their source of finance. Wonder what saudi is doing about that?

I'm under no illusions.

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by oscar

If my memory serves me correctly, after 9/11 Bush demanded that Afghanistan handed over Bin Laden. I have always had the theory that they couldn't have handed him over even if they wanted to. He was long gone over the borders into Syria or Pakistan if he was ever there in the first place. We had no reason in my eyes to ever be in Afghan let alone 5 years later when there is still no sign of him or any hard evidence that the Taliban is linked to Al-Queda. Obama may be withdrawing from Iraq but i read that he intends to send thousands more troops in Afghan...... For what?

Theyre trying to build infrastructure. Schools, hospitals, power plants, clean water supply stations. Theyre trying to provide an alternative crop to poppy growing. Theyre trying to give girls an opportunity to pursue an education free from acid being thrown in their faces.
Theyre trying to give the average citizens freedom to pursue a life free of terror. Any stability in the region is good for everyone.
All evil stuff.