Has He Paid His Debt ?

[RedGlitter]

Forgiveness....its a powerful thing. Try it some time.

-Nomad

Did you not want our opinions after all, Nomad?
We're not obligated to forgive him for his atrocities. Like the song says "God may but i won't, God may but i don't, and that's the difference between God and me."
No, I'm not trying to make this a religious thing but my point is who is anyone to say we should forgive this POS? We don't have to and I don't feel we should. We owe his sorry self nothing except to rub his nose in his own mess every chance we get.

[hoppy]

[quote=RedGlitter;1224317]

Originally Posted by Nomad

Easy. Actions speak louder than words. I haven't seen any sign of regret for what he did other than the expected regret that he screwed up his career. Does he seem remorseful to you? It's a judgement call. And because he wronged society, society has the right to judge. It is society's responsibility to ostracize its offenders, whether they be thieves, rapists, drunk drivers or people who torture and kill dogs.

Hoppy, no I won't leave kids or other humans out of it.
A helpless child feels pain and bleeds if cut, well so does a helpless dog. It is society's job to protect its defenseless from harm and allowing this thug to retrieve any semblance of his previous fame and fortune is only saying "it was just an animal. Not worth much. You paid your debt." Your reaction Hoppy, to my bringing kids into it illustrates my point. Tell me if I am wrong but I am quite sure that if Vick had molested or murdered a child, you would want his head on a platter and rightfully so. I doubt many people would be claiming he paid his debt. Some things cannot be paid for because they are priceless to begin with.

Society is judged by how it treats its poor and defenseless. Allowing Vick even a fraction of his career equals acceptance. Acceptance of what he did. It should never happen.

Yes, leave children out of it. If he did that to children, the law would most likely see that he was out of circulation a long time, if not forever. He served his sentence as it applies to animals. You are trying to justify hanging the guy by suggesting a dog and a child are somehow equal.
You people seem incapable of distinguishing between animal life and human life, as far as worth goes. You are the scary ones here. I don't suggest animal abuse is ok, nor do I idolize and worship critters. Some of you seem to and that is the scary part. YOU need help as much or perhaps far more, than Mike Vic.

[RedGlitter]

[quote=hoppy;1224394]

Originally Posted by RedGlitter

Yes, leave children out of it. If he did that to children, the law would most likely see that he was out of circulation a long time, if not forever. He served his sentence as it applies to animals. You are trying to justify hanging the guy by suggesting a dog and a child are somehow equal.
You people seem incapable of distinguishing between animal life and human life, as far as worth goes. You are the scary ones here. I don't suggest animal abuse is ok, nor do I idolize and worship critters. Some of you seem to and that is the scary part. YOU need help as much or perhaps far more, than Mike Vic.

I see FG still sucks as much as it did before. And I still see why.
Get over it Hoppy. I made my point and I feel the same way I did the last time we had this convo. And apparently so do you. So now that we've established that, let's leave the bickering BS and the accusatory "You People" out of it. As far as I know, I didn't insult you and you've no business insulting me either. Let's leave it at that.

[hoppy]

[quote=RedGlitter;1224406]

Originally Posted by hoppy

I see FG still sucks as much as it did before. And I still see why.
Get over it Hoppy. I made my point and I feel the same way I did the last time we had this convo. And apparently so do you. So now that we've established that, let's leave the bickering BS and the accusatory "You People" out of it. As far as I know, I didn't insult you and you've no business insulting me either. Let's leave it at that.

Sorry but as a human being, I always feel insulted when a human child is compared to a critter in an attempt to somehow equalize the two.

[YZGI]

Nommie, I want to say, OK he served his time let him get back to life and succeed in life in any way he is capable. My problem is that he just seems to be a thug for lack of a better word.

Nope don't put him on the Cowboys we've had enough thugs and egocentric players of the late.

[Odie]

Originally Posted by YZGI

Nommie, I want to say, OK he served his time let him get back to life and succeed in life in any way he is capable. My problem is that he just seems to be a thug for lack of a better word.

Nope don't put him on the Cowboys we've had enough thugs and egocentric players of the late.

it should be that no team wants him now.

[Bill Sikes]

Originally Posted by RedGlitter

I see FG still sucks as much as it did before. And I still see why.

Hi RG. I hope you are well.

[RedGlitter]

[quote=hoppy;1224411]

Originally Posted by RedGlitter

Sorry but as a human being, I always feel insulted when a human child is compared to a critter in an attempt to somehow equalize the two.

Well if it helps, I feel insulted the other way around. So we understand each other. But it would be cool if we could smooth our hackles back down and discuss the subject. Neither of us is too likely to change so maybe we could just accept that...?

[RedGlitter]

Originally Posted by Bill Sikes

Hi RG. I hope you are well.

Hi Bill! Thank you, I am doing pretty good at the moment and I hope you are too. It's nice to see you again.

[Victoria]

Ok leave kids out of it ... but this guy is a sports star someone kids will look up to, idolise, try to be like, emulate...

Take a look at the video .. this is what this man does for FUN.. to earn a bit of extra money remember its not one pet dog he abused or beat its dozens of dogs he allowed to suffer.
Then tell me its ok
Tell me you think its ok for your kids to want to be like this man
that its ok for them to view this man as a role model.
Thats its ok for us to cheer for him...

Watch it
know what he does,
its not just dogs having a bit of a scrap... understand it, he gets enjoyment from seeing two living creatures rip each other to shreds,
He earns money from a 'sport' that will use bait dogs ie. dogs who have had thier mouth taped shut before being put in the ring and are defensless when they are ripped apart.
He is someone who would not seek vets help if a dog were injured but instead would leave it to bleed to death or if he was merciful might shoot it.

Watch the video and if after watching it you honestly still cannot see the reason why he needed to be dealt with more severley then I give up.
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