Has He Paid His Debt ?

[spot]

Originally Posted by oscar

I can't speak for Odie but as I said in an earlier post, I can not offer logic or reason because I am speaking from human nature of some-thing that I personally find abhorant. The man obviousley had no scruples about profiting from another species pain.

You're entirely correct that Mr Vick had no scruples about profiting from another species pain. He went to jail for it because what he did was illegal. It has absolutely nothing at all to do with "the enjoyment he obviously got out of seeing the animals distressed and injured" which is what I've contested throughout. Stop continually changing the goalposts. There are many circumstances in which I'd not scruple to profit from another species pain either but I'd make quite sure I stayed within the law and I'd feel no enjoyment from seeing the animals distressed and injured. Most of the animal farming industry profits from another species pain, I've never contended they enjoyed inflicting it.

[oscar]

Originally Posted by Odie

there is no reason for anyone to treat any dog like this!

Pitt Bulls are on the dangerous dogs list in this country and pups are seized if found.

[Odie]

Originally Posted by oscar

Pitt Bulls are on the dangerous dogs list in this country and pups are seized if found.

they are illegal here.


just some pit bull's.

as there are many breeds of them.

but that won't stop people from having them.

[RedGlitter]

Originally Posted by Nomad

You mean the way you adapt to the way I speak my mind?
You are harsh and Ive never witnessed you display compassion for anything but animals.
Your coldness towards people is a nasty trait thus the frank response.
On a footnote it was your lack of compassion for American Indians (theyre people) that was the last straw.

Nomad, your telling me to go fk myself was my last straw for you. I live among Indians and have for over 33 years. I think I know of which I speak. Did you ask me why I held the opinion I offered back then? Or did you just jump down my throat as is your modus operandi?
Not only that but you have absolutely no idea where my compassion lies because you're all about jumping my frame as soon as I appear here rather than making any attempt at comprehension.

If we can't discuss your OP as adults without tearing each other up, then I have no more time for you.
The problem is YOURS, Nomad.

[oscar]

Originally Posted by spot

You're entirely correct that Mr Vick had no scruples about profiting from another species pain. He went to jail for it because what he did was illegal. It has absolutely nothing at all to do with "the enjoyment he obviously got out of seeing the animals distressed and injured" which is what I've contested throughout. Stop continually changing the goalposts. There are many circumstances in which I'd not scruple to profit from another species pain either but I'd make quite sure I stayed within the law and I'd feel no enjoyment from seeing the animals distressed and injured. Most of the animal farming industry profits from another species pain, I've never contended they enjoyed inflicting it.

Me? Change goal posts??? Never !!! Glad to hear it Spot.. I always knew you were a cuddly bear all along.

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by spot

I never claimed he cared about dogs. I'm sure he didn't, he quite likely still doesn't. Neither do I as far as the domesticated breeds are concerned, they're a sad pollutant within the planet's life. There's nothing in the article to even hint that he got enjoyment out of seeing the animals distressed and injured.

Dogs are a sad pollutant within the planets life?
Dogs are a great source of love and comfort for people. Theyre loyal, smart, obedient and protective. All they require in return is kindness and love.

[Odie]

Originally Posted by spot

I never claimed he cared about dogs. I'm sure he didn't, he quite likely still doesn't. Neither do I as far as the domesticated breeds are concerned, they're a sad pollutant within the planet's life. There's nothing in the article to even hint th he got enjoyment out of seeing the animals distressed and injured.

'a sad pollutant within the planet's life?'

ahah, now this explains how you really feel.


shame really.

[spot]

Originally Posted by Nomad

Dogs are a sad pollutant within the planets life?
Dogs are a great source of love and comfort for people. Theyre loyal, smart, obedient and protective. All they require in return is kindness and love.

Originally Posted by Odie

'a sad pollutant within the planet's life?'

ahah, now this explains how you really feel.


shame really.

It's all down to genetic diversity really. Domesticated animals are not genetically diverse - quite the opposite - and their spread has crimped the environment available for wild animals which are.

Of course some breeds of dog are loyal, smart, obedient and protective, Nomad. That's been a part of their breeding program, dogs which didn't measure up were ruthlessly culled out of the breed line by the breeders. Some others are ruthless berserk killers for the same reason. The "pollutant" comment is that no wild strain of dog (or cat, or whatever domesticated animal we pick on) is safe from these perverse man-made genetic traits being transferred back into the wild line.

Either life is treated as human property or it's respected in its own terms. I'd rather it were respected. Pet animals have no place in any respectable genetic pool on this planet. That's why I'd have them destroyed, to stop the destruction of resources which properly ought to belong to wildlife.

These parasites have latched onto the normally healthy human parental response and mimicked juvenile behaviours to generate a biological niche in human society. It demeans both human and pet to respond to it. The outrage aimed at Mr Vick stems from his refusal to respond to this inter-species blackmail in favour of making a profit at the animals' expense. How does this discussion benefit from entering the mythical realm of "he enjoyed the pain and suffering"?

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by spot

It's all down to genetic diversity really. Domesticated animals are not genetically diverse - quite the opposite - and their spread has crimped the environment available for wild animals which are.

Of course some breeds of dog are loyal, smart, obedient and protective, Nomad. That's been a part of their breeding program, dogs which didn't measure up were ruthlessly culled out of the breed line by the breeders. Some others are ruthless berserk killers for the same reason. The "pollutant" comment is that no wild strain of dog (or cat, or whatever domesticated animal we pick on) is safe from these perverse man-made genetic traits being transferred back into the wild line.

Either life is treated as human property or it's respected in its own terms. I'd rather it were respected. Pet animals have no place in any respectable genetic pool on this planet. That's why I'd have them destroyed, to stop the destruction of resources which properly ought to belong to wildlife.

These parasites have latched onto the normally healthy human parental response and mimicked juvenile behaviours to generate a biological niche in human society. It demeans both human and pet to respond to it. The outrage aimed at Mr Vick stems from his refusal to respond to this inter-species blackmail in favour of making a profit at the animals' expense. How does this discussion benefit from entering the mythical realm of "he enjoyed the pain and suffering"?

After considering your statement and then coming across this abomination Im inclined to agree.
Destroy them !