Has He Paid His Debt ?

[Nomad]

Michael Vick has been released from prison for his crimes of cruelty to animals.
Has he payed his debt to society ?
Is he allowed to continue his life and career free from his past or should his transgressions follow him ?
If youre an NFL fan would you welcome him to your team ?

[along-for-the-ride]

"Former Indianapolis Colts head coach Tony Dungy had visited Vick while he was in prison and has agreed to continue to be his mentor and advisor.

Vick released a statement through his agent, Joel Segal, expressing gratitude to Goodell for allowing him to be reinstated and went on to say that he understood that playing in the NFL was a “privilege, not a right”, and he welcomes the opportunity to “become an example of positive change”.

Vick was suspended indefinitely in August 2007 after he plead guilty to his role in a dogfighting operation at his Virginia home. He spent 18 months in jail and released from federal custody on July 20th. He will still serve three years of probation. "

Yes.........this is all well and good. But does Michael Vicks "get it". That cruelty to animals is wrong?

[CARLA]

I hope he does become a role model for "Positive Change" It is needed in the NFL it is up to him. He is the only one who can make this happen he will be watched by many an as he attempts to regain his status and the right to play in the NFL.

Lets hope he truly understands what happened and will change.

[Nomad]

He gave up allot and rightly so. Hes had some long days and long nights to consider his actions and their consequences.
Tony Dungy is the right man to mentor him, I imagine positive things coming from those conversations.
Legally his debt has been rendered.
Men commit atrocious acts but men also redeem themselves.
As far as Im concerned its a blank slate for Vick and hope he uses the opportunity to effect good in his life and community even if he never plays again.

[hoppy]

Originally Posted by along-for-the-ride

"Former Indianapolis Colts head coach Tony Dungy had visited Vick while he was in prison and has agreed to continue to be his mentor and advisor.

Vick released a statement through his agent, Joel Segal, expressing gratitude to Goodell for allowing him to be reinstated and went on to say that he understood that playing in the NFL was a “privilege, not a right”, and he welcomes the opportunity to “become an example of positive change”.

Vick was suspended indefinitely in August 2007 after he plead guilty to his role in a dogfighting operation at his Virginia home. He spent 18 months in jail and released from federal custody on July 20th. He will still serve three years of probation. "

Yes.........this is all well and good. But does Michael Vicks "get it". That cruelty to animals is wrong?

How much is a dog's life worth? If the law says so much jail time and he served his time, you have no beef unless he does it again.

[RedGlitter]

Let's see...if he'd harmed and killed other living feeling beings, such as children, what would we say?

No, in my opinion he will never atone for what he did, he is not remotely remorseful, and should be forced to work a regular job, not return to a fat contract and undeserved celebrity.

[Victoria]

The maximum penalty was 10 years he served 18 months.. thats laughable or at least it would be if his crime were not so dispicable.

If he had put children through this kind of torture he would be lucky to ever see the light of day let alone be out after 18 mths but then many will say 'its just a dog'
never seeing that this was just the tip of the iceberg.. God knows what horrors this 'man' (monster) is capable of..
Would I let my children pay to see someone like this? I wouldnt p1ss on him if he was on fire. All the time children see their role models exhibit this kind of behaviour and get off lightly they cannot be expected to know its wrong and anyone who pays to watch him or buys anything that he endorses adds to the problem because by not condemming it you condone it.

A fitting punishment?? putting him in a room with his victims..ie the dogs, let them have 5 minutes with their torturer.

[Nomad]

[quote=RedGlitter;1224016]Let's see...if he'd harmed and killed other living feeling beings, such as children, what would we say?

No, in my opinion he will never atone for what he did, he is not remotely remorseful, quote]

Now how could you possibly know this ?

[hoppy]

Originally Posted by Victoria

The maximum penalty was 10 years he served 18 months.. thats laughable or at least it would be if his crime were not so dispicable.

If he had put children through this kind of torture he would be lucky to ever see the light of day let alone be out after 18 mths but then many will say 'its just a dog'
never seeing that this was just the tip of the iceberg.. God knows what horrors this 'man' (monster) is capable of..
Would I let my children pay to see someone like this? I wouldnt p1ss on him if he was on fire. All the time children see their role models exhibit this kind of behaviour and get off lightly they cannot be expected to know its wrong and anyone who pays to watch him or buys anything that he endorses adds to the problem because by not condemming it you condone it.

A fitting punishment?? putting him in a room with his victims..ie the dogs, let them have 5 minutes with their torturer.

How do you equate a dog's worth to that of a child? Leave children out of the question.

[spot]

Originally Posted by Nomad

Michael Vick has been released from prison for his crimes of cruelty to animals.
Has he payed his debt to society ?
Is he allowed to continue his life and career free from his past or should his transgressions follow him ?
If youre an NFL fan would you welcome him to your team ?

Isn't the question rather whether he's more likely to re-offend in this regard when compared to the average American? Either he's learned his lesson and been rehabilitated or he hasn't and isn't. The alternative is to say everyone convicted of a crime has lost some portion of his civil rights permanently - by all means, if you want to arrange things so, then arrange them so, it's an arguable position to adopt. It's what Sir Thomas More advocated in Utopia, for example. It's not what the existing legal system is designed for, though I note that disenfranchisement has been tacked onto the US legal framework in recent years as a start toward the permanent criminalisation of convicts.