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    A little bit of Cricketing history...

    England v South Africa: Moeen Ali hat-trick wraps up hosts' victory
    Elgar and Rabada caught at 1st slip (Elgar making a fine 136), Morkel lbw.

    Only the 4th time it's been done in Test history - and the first for 60 years.

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    Re: A little bit of Cricketing history...

    Quote Originally Posted by Clodhopper View Post
    Elgar and Rabada caught at 1st slip (Elgar making a fine 136), Morkel lbw.

    Only the 4th time it's been done in Test history - and the first for 60 years.

    Nice one Mo!

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    A good job we had a review left but brilliant bowling all the same.

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    Re: A little bit of Cricketing history...

    Here's. A bit of history for you. Our cricketers are unemployed. Not sure thats ever happen before
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    Re: A little bit of Cricketing history...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bryn Mawr View Post
    A good job we had a review left but brilliant bowling all the same.
    He WAS plumb. It was a bad miss from the Umpire.

    Our cricketers are unemployed. Not sure thats ever happen before
    Yeah, I'd forgotten about that in all the mess up here. Hope you can sort it.
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    Re: A little bit of Cricketing history...

    I've attempted to understand Cricket a few times.
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    Re: A little bit of Cricketing history...

    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    I've attempted to understand Cricket a few times.
    Chuckle. We had a tea towel with this printed on it when I was a kid:

    You have two sides, one out in the field and one in.

    Each man that's in the side that's in goes out, and when he's out he comes in and the next man goes in until he's out.

    When they are all out, the side that's out comes in and the side that's been in goes out and tries to get those coming in, out. Sometimes you get men still in and not out.

    When both sides have been in and all the men have been out, including those who are not out, that is the end of the game!
    In reality, I reckon the only way to understand cricket is to watch with someone who does understand it and can explain.

    Best I can do is to say that it and baseball are cousins with baseball seeming very streamlined by comparison. Catching to dismiss batters is common to both games, as is hitting a ball with a club. If in baseball you imagine 3 sticks (called stumps) behind the man receiving the ball, at which the pitcher is generally aiming because if he hits them the man trying to hit the ball is out, you've pretty much got cricket. I suppose the other big difference is that our pitchers bounce the ball before it reaches the batter which adds a lot of variables.

    edit: And in baseball you score by running round, in cricket by running up and down; in both by hitting it out of the playing area. In both the batter can be got out if the guy in the field retrieves the ball before it goes out of the playing area and throws it back to the guy guarding the base (or in cricket, the stumps) before the batter gets there.

    edit edit: A lot of the other differences come from the different nature of the balls used. A baseball has a seam like a tennis ball and has a little give; a cricket ball has a raised stitched seam that divides the ball into two halves and is like a rock (at the start of the game, anyway). Makes a big difference (especially when you bounce a cricket ball). But we're well into technicalities at that point, and I think I've covered the main things.

    edit edit edit: And just to make it worse, there are now 3 versions of cricket, all played internationally. Best thought of in athletics terms: short version, 100m sprint (wham bam thank you ma'am), medium version 5,000m (slow build up to a sprint) and marathon (the real killer which is a Test match).
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    Re: A little bit of Cricketing history...

    Quote Originally Posted by Clodhopper View Post
    Chuckle. We had a tea towel with this printed on it when I was a kid:



    In reality, I reckon the only way to understand cricket is to watch with someone who does understand it and can explain.

    Best I can do is to say that it and baseball are cousins with baseball seeming very streamlined by comparison. Catching to dismiss batters is common to both games, as is hitting a ball with a club. If in baseball you imagine 3 sticks (called stumps) behind the man receiving the ball, at which the pitcher is generally aiming because if he hits them the man trying to hit the ball is out, you've pretty much got cricket. I suppose the other big difference is that our pitchers bounce the ball before it reaches the batter which adds a lot of variables.

    edit: And in baseball you score by running round, in cricket by running up and down; in both by hitting it out of the playing area. In both the batter can be got out if the guy in the field retrieves the ball before it goes out of the playing area and throws it back to the guy guarding the base (or in cricket, the stumps) before the batter gets there.

    edit edit: A lot of the other differences come from the different nature of the balls used. A baseball has a seam like a tennis ball and has a little give; a cricket ball has a raised stitched seam that divides the ball into two halves and is like a rock (at the start of the game, anyway). Makes a big difference (especially when you bounce a cricket ball). But we're well into technicalities at that point, and I think I've covered the main things.

    edit edit edit: And just to make it worse, there are now 3 versions of cricket, all played internationally. Best thought of in athletics terms: short version, 100m sprint (wham bam thank you ma'am), medium version 5,000m (slow build up to a sprint) and marathon (the real killer which is a Test match).
    Thanks. That makes it much more clear.
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    I can't see the connection with baseball myself. I tried an article yesterday because I was inquisitive but I understood none of it, the entire thing seemed written in a jargon designed to keep me uninformed.

    Book excerpt: 'Willie Mays: The Life, The Legend'

    The very first line is impenetrable - The Indians went down in order in the seventh. What?

    Then there's Two on, nobody out, and Vic Wertz was the batter. I coped with "the batter".

    His three hits, all smoked, had come off a high fastball, a slider down and away, and an outside fastball. There seems to be an implication that three hits has relevance within the rules, as has smoking in some form.

    The bits about catching the ball and returning it are cricket-like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    I can't see the connection with baseball myself. I tried an article yesterday because I was inquisitive but I understood none of it, the entire thing seemed written in a jargon designed to keep me uninformed.

    Book excerpt: 'Willie Mays: The Life, The Legend'

    The very first line is impenetrable - The Indians went down in order in the seventh. What?

    Then there's Two on, nobody out, and Vic Wertz was the batter. I coped with "the batter".

    His three hits, all smoked, had come off a high fastball, a slider down and away, and an outside fastball. There seems to be an implication that three hits has relevance within the rules, as has smoking in some form.

    The bits about catching the ball and returning it are cricket-like.
    I can guess at some of it: the 7th is the Innings? baseball seems to have lots, cricket have 4 at most...

    2 on - that must be their bases, Wertz was the bloke facing the pitcher - baseball run outs seem a much bigger part of the game than in cricket. Not sure about nobody out. Could be field position, could be the batting side has lost no-one yet...

    3 hits - a hit seems to be a much rarer than a run in cricket. So his 3 is a big deal. All smoked I'm guessing means he really belted them and and they were all very different types of delivery from the pitcher, showing Mays' versatility as a batter. To be fair, my OP is going to be pretty impenetrable to the non cricketer. ( watched a bit of baseball on ESPN last night having read Lars' comment, just to see. Perhaps that helped.)

    The bit in baseball I'm unclear on is the 3 places the pitchers run to - with the place the batter stands it's a diamond shape. If the batter hits it far enough he (or she?) can run all the way round he scores a run. If he only gets to first or second base it doesn't count to the score but my impression is that if he makes it all the way round when the next guy is hits the ball and runs, he gets a chance to bat again - so baseball could have a LOT of innings if people get round without scoring(?). Equally, when there's 2 or 3 batters out there part way round the diamond (I'm guessing that's what "loaded bases" means?) the fielders could dismiss 3 guys in one go if say the fielder guarding the last base is thrown the ball the ball before the batter running to it got there. (Like cricket's Run Out, but you get all the blokes queued up trying to get round, not just one)

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