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FAKE-OLOGIST
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To All My Valued Employees,
To All My Valued Employees,
There have been some rumblings around the office about the future of this company and, more specifically, your job. As you know the economy has changed for the worse and presents many challenges. However, the good news is this - the economy doesn't pose a threat to your job. What does threaten your job is the changing political landscape in this country. Let me tell you some little tidbits of fact which might help you decide what is in your best interests.
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Re: To All My Valued Employees,
Sad but all too true!
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Re: To All My Valued Employees,
That explains it so clearly. I don't understand why other people think there would be a differentl outcome.
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Re: To All My Valued Employees,
This popped up on Reddit under the heading "So you thought your boss was a douchebag." You know, as many lousy employers as I've had, as many greedy SOB's as I've worked for, I couldn't call whoever wrote this a douchebag. Corporations who chew employees up and spit them out are bad. HR directors are, without doubt, some of the sleaziest, lyingest two-faced weasels known to man. But I have worked for small business owners who are barely making it, through no fault of their own sometimes. And I just cannot believe the short-sightedness of an employee who cannot see the same financial realities that business owners may face. What good will it do to have your job guaranteed if the company then fails, and all are out of work? No, it's not pleasant. Hell, it's awful. And sometimes it's personal. But as much as we all want things to be sunshine & rainbows, anyone out of high school has got to know that the world is, often, just not like that. so you can go on about "exploitation of the workers" and all that. If it's really happening, I'll be right there with you. And I'm familiar with lies from employers. But this sounded pretty real, and most of the points made are hard to argue. Douchebag? Naah.
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Re: To All My Valued Employees,
The first half of this is the exact story of one of my brothers who is now, after all the years he has slaved, a successful business man. He is not facing bankruptcy due to being in the right industry. I can remember the days when i used to deliver a meal to his shop for him because he worked 18 hours a day.
I posted a pic of his beautiful house on facebook and i was shocked to recieve catty remarks from people who called themselves my friend. People who would never get off their backsides and show the commitment he did for all those years.
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Re: To All My Valued Employees,
To my valuable boss,
Let me try (maybe in vain) to lay out at least one other perspective here. We all have hard starts, and tough times when things are first getting rolling. I left my parents home at the age of 18, to attend college that I paid for. No parent-authorized student loans (my parents went through bankruptcy when I was 17), and almost no financial help (about $3k in cash/gifts over 5 years). During my time at school, I lived in a crap-hole pad with 4-6 other people, just so we could make rent. I served tables 35 hours a week to pay for the college tuition not covered by private (read high-interest) student loans. Blah, blah, blah, right? I mean, really we all come from low points before we move up. So, I graduated with a bachelors degree in CS, 50k in student loans, a 3k maxed-out credit card, and a $100 car. I was fortunate enough to find a job a few months after I left at a growing company. During my tenure there, I made the company millions of dollars. Yes me, personally, made the company millions in savings, up-sells, customer retention, and loss-mitigation. We all know that the CEO knows nothing about the technicals of how our backup system works and what to do in case of massive failure. Guess who does? Your lowly employees making $35k/year. Guess who solved hundreds of potential lawsuits by being creative and finding the right way around the problem? Now, I give you credit for creating the business that employs me. Your foresight and leadership towards a common goal definitely drives the business forward. Your decisions also have a _much_ greater chance of creating or destroying millions of dollars worth of sales/reputation/whatever. My big gripe is the pay differential. You make 50 times what I do. I pay taxes too. In fact, I would wager that after taxes, the ratio of what you make to what i make increases to 60x or more. This is where the unfairness comes in. I pay 28% of 35k to the government, leaving me with 25.2k in take-home pay. You pay 35% of 2000k to the gov, leaving you with 1300k in yearly income to spend on boats or roofing repairs or whatever. But wait, you have the money to pay accountants to find all the tax loopholes. In fact, you have someone on the payroll specifically to ensure you pay the least amount of taxes possible. I am guessing the 35% you pay in taxes is only on "income", and not based on the complex options dated specifically to grant the best tax breaks for you, or your "real value". Now, I have worked for the company for 4 years, have no options, and have increased my wages to 60k/year in a middle-management position. I have a pre-owned car with no lien, a small condo with a reasonable mortgage (50k), and have done nothing to do with the financial collapse that has happened. I can pay my bills 3x over each month, have 6 months worth of savings, contribute the max I can to my 401(k), and am scared to death. What happens when things get tough, and taxes have to go up? You are going to fire me because your 1.3mil a year just isn't cutting it? Why is it so hard to remember that the success you have had as an employer isn't solely your doing? Through these last 4 years, the company has grown, and you have continued to accrue money that you put in various investment vehicles to generate the most recurring income. At this point, you have enough money to stop working, close the company, and use the money you have hoarded to move to HI and live in modest luxury for the rest of your days. I have to continue to work, and move forward with my life. Have you worked that much harder than I have over these past 4 years? I understand you have worked harder, and possible 3-4x as hard. Causing increased stress (handled by masseurs), a distant wife (handled by trophy-bagging), and kids that have been raised by their nanny (don't worry, they will have a silver parachute at least). However, to imply that over 4 years you have worked harder than I will work for the rest of my life is ignorant, self-centered, and just plain wrong. Take your licks, and pay your taxes. You made the most during the good times, you surely should pay the most during the bad times. My federal tax break of ~1k is a drop in the bucket once things fall apart and hyper-inflation leads to $30 bread. Your tax hike of ~20k will not hurt that bad. One less maid for your opulent house? Maybe you will have to trade down your new caddy SUV for a pre-owned BMW 3-series or whatever. You won during the boom, now pay back a bit during the bust. Did you think that free money would rain from the sky forever just because your ideas were so ground-breaking? Check your ego, and get to work creating something worthwhile to society. Best, Your generic employee |
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Re: To All My Valued Employees,
Dear Employee,
Think not of it so much as me firing you, but now with the experience you have gain, providing you with the opportunity to go out on your own, use your initiative, and start up your own enterprise so you too can achieve what it is that you believe that I have. Then you may also know the pleasure of not only worrying about a business, but also carrying the weight of the employees that now see me as an evil b@stard because I must make difficult decisions to save what is left of what I built. Remember, I did not go into business so that I could hire people and provide employment; I went into business so that I could build a viable profitable business, hiring employees was only an outcome of ongoing success while it lasted. Sorry that you begrudge me and judge my family where we once worked side by side as colleagues. I wish you the best in your new business enterprise. With both regards and regret, Owner |
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Ichabod
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Re: To All My Valued Employees,
I'd be interested to know who originally wrote it, I'd hate to think it started life here.
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