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    Brexit Questions

    1) How are brexiters going to solve the Irish Border issue?

    The Irish Gov't has said it will veto any hard border in Ireland between North and South. That means if there is to be a border it has to be between NI and the rest of the currently UK. The DUP and brexiters have said they will veto that, and the EU has said there must be a hard customs border of some sort somewhere. The Irish Gov't has also said it will not accept an electronic system which destroys the one possible solution that was being tentatively put forward by some on the UK side even though it would be expensive, complicated and open to abuse.

    2) What about brexit gives Remainers any reason to support it?

    3) Is a brexit run by far right tories going to be a right wing brexit, a purely practical non-political brexit or a socialist brexit?

    4) Why do you support brexit?

    5) Are you happy that Putin and his mates interfered in the brexit referendum, given that the result was very close? Without him and the far right American bastards and your illegal funding you might well have lost despite the liars fronting your cause.

    6) Do you think that Johnson Davis or Fox are good people to be running the biggest change in our country since Henry changed the religion to get his divorce?

    7) Do you agree that we can have our cake and eat it?

    8) Do you agree that the brexit negotiations are the easiest ever?

    9) Please explain why we are now told it is definite that we are leaving the single market in the light of these quotations from senior brexiters (nb Norway is IN the single market):

    Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market
    Daniel Hannan MEP

    Only a madman would actually leave the Market
    Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer

    Wouldn't it be terrible if we were really like Norway and Switzerland? Really? They're rich. They're happy. They're self-governing
    Nigel Farage, Ukip leader

    The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initally attractive for some business people
    Matthew Elliot, Vote Leave chief executive

    Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK
    Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder
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    Re: Brexit Questions

    No answer I see. Maybe your making their brains hurt with all the awkward questionstheir brains are out to lunch.

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    Re: Brexit Questions

    1) There is no solution and the government know it - where now?

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    Re: Brexit Questions

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    I have yet to hear any brexiteer give a good answer to the question why it is in our interests to leave the eu. I wish they would try as at least it would indicate some kind of thought process going on - they do gice answers bu they dobt last more than about five minutes close examination.

    Oh yes that "special" relationship we have with the US

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8292006.html

    Bend over here comes brexit.

    On a happier note as an equakl member in a political inion scotland does not need englands' permission to hold a second independence referendum which is looking likelier by thge minute.

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    Re: Brexit Questions

    One answer is basically that ANYTHING is better than the corrupt system we have now where the UK are being treated as a Cash Cow. Where all the other countries flout the EU regulations laid upon them when it doesn't suit their purposes, while the UK follows them to the letter.

    The UK got along perfectly well without the EU before the EU came into existence. The Common Market was potentially a good plan as far as Free Trade was concerned. Central Government is another matter altogether.

    Even Cameron tried to negotiate some sort of agreement, which might have avoided all this in the first place. They wouldn't give an inch, so the Referendum went ahead. Well, they have made their bed, now they must lie in it.

    The UK is a a major Net Importer from the EU. They are not likely to refuse to sell us their goods any more. If they want to impose tariffs, then we do the same. As Net Importers we would end up better off.

    To believe any sort of negotiations is going to be easy is simplistic & naive, but it will sort itself out in time. The only thing that is causing problems at the moment are those who would try to overturn Democracy & go against the result of the Referendum. This increases uncertainty, and that is the one thing business doesn't like. Once they know what's happening then they can decide how they're going to invest. The result is in. It going to happen. That's all there is to it. It's time to accept it & make the most of it.

    It's a Brave New World. There is no precedent in the history of the EU, yet Remainers continue to use speculation as 'fact'. The only facts are what we can see of the EU as it is & the way it has steadily been going downhill. We have 2 options. Get back onto the Titanic, or get in the Lifeboat & start rowing.

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    Re: Brexit Questions

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    To believe any sort of negotiations is going to be easy is simplistic & naive, but it will sort itself out in time. The only thing that is causing problems at the moment are those who would try to overturn Democracy & go against the result of the Referendum. This increases uncertainty, and that is the one thing business doesn't like. Once they know what's happening then they can decide how they're going to invest. The result is in. It going to happen. That's all there is to it. It's time to accept it & make the most of it.
    The referendum was not a legally binding one to claim it was is to simply ignore the facts. We live in a parliamentary democracy where parliament is sovereign and can ignore or decide to abide by the referendum if it chooses to do so. We live in a demnocracy that means WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHANGE our minds and to pretend otherwise shows complete ignorance of the way our democracy works. That a decision of such catatrophic consequence that less than a third of the electorate voted for and that exclided large sections of the population directly affected by it should just be carried out is ridiculous.

    It's a Brave New World. Indee and only an idiot would want to live in it.

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    Re: Brexit Questions

    The fact that Cameron stating from the start that the Government would be abiding by the outcome makes it binding. To take any other course of action would make a mockery of Democracy & would show the Government up to be utter liars (no change there).

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    Re: Brexit Questions

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    The fact that Cameron stating from the start that the Government would be abiding by the outcome makes it binding. To take any other course of action would make a mockery of Democracy & would show the Government up to be utter liars (no change there).
    No it doesn't you clearly do not know the way our system works.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe...endum_Act_2015

    This act required a referendum to be held on the question of the UK’s continued membership of the European Union before the end of 2017. The bill did not contain any requirement for the UK Government to implement the results of the referendum, nor set a time limit by which a vote to leave the EU should be implemented. Instead, this is a type of referendum known as pre-legislative or consultative, which enables the electorate to voice an opinion which then influences the Government in its policy decisions. The referendums held in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland in 1997 and 1998 are examples of this type, where opinion was tested before legislation was introduced. The UK does not have constitutional provisions which would require the results of a referendum to be implemented, unlike,
    We live in a democracy despite what cameron said and as prime minister he could then have started procedings with the consent of parliament but it was not binding and cameron is no longer prime minister and May came within a hairs breadth of not bing either hanging on by the grace of a group of MP's who do not represent the way their fellow countyrymen voted.

    I would remind yopu yet again in a democracy people can change their minds and change their government if thgeis goes ahead we will end up on bended knees begging to be allowed back in just as we had to beg in the first place. In the seventies we were bankrupt the fact we are not now is due in the main to being in the single market anyone who says otherwise needs a history lesson.

    You have bought the pack of lies of the leave campaign hook line and sinker. No matter how much the brexiteers stamp their little feet they can be stopped. That's why they are terrified of a second referendum they know they would lose. Why should we accept it anyway farage made it quite clear had it gone the other way ukip would not have accepted it. How anyone can still believe what they were told by the brexiteers is beyond me.

    May is a hypocrite clinging to power of leaving was against our interests before the referendum if she had any integrity she would still be campsigning to stop it.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8292496.html

    The eu doesn't allow some US food imports for very good reasons. Do yoiu really think you can trust the brexiteers to look after our interests once they have had their way?

    Quote frankly I'm gettong fed up being lectured on british democracy by brexiteers who quite clearly can't be bothered making sure they know what they are talking about.

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    Re: Brexit Questions

    To believe any sort of negotiations is going to be easy is simplistic & naive, but it will sort itself out in time. The only thing that is causing problems at the moment are those who would try to overturn Democracy & go against the result of the Referendum. This increases uncertainty, and that is the one thing business doesn't like. Once they know what's happening then they can decide how they're going to invest. The result is in. It going to happen. That's all there is to it. It's time to accept it & make the most of it.
    So you claim you always knew your leaders were lying about brexit. There was never any intention of staying in the single market, the intent was always to Leave entirely. You also knew they were lying when they said the negotiations would be easy. You knew they were right wing liars yet you still voted for them because being run by right wing liars is preferable to being in the EU, where we went from being the basket case of Europe, economically, to a situation where we have stopped getting poorer as a nation every day. Now to be wasted paying for brexit. We'll need Austerity all over again and you can bet a right wing tory government will do it. You are aware as well that if Scotland leaves the UK that will remove a non tory area of voters. You've voted for more tory governments because there will be several million fewer opposing voters. Brexit is great for the Tories.

    Brexit. Back to poverty, add some hormone pumped and chlorine washed food and that is the Britain you have created if we Leave. (It will also destroy farming unless WE hormone pump and chlorine wash and use serious chemicals which get into the natural food chain so we can compete wish US chemical megafarmers.

    The feeling among CEOs that brexit was the biggest problem their business faced due to leaving the single market is now less bad than it was a year ago, according to a survey by Deloitte reported today or yesterday. A 9% improvement means a mere 73% of business leaders think we're in the **** thanks to brexit. What has made the difference? Some CEOs are getting more worried by a lack of consumer confidence and spending at home than the lack of investment and increased costs brexit brings. What is causing the lack of consumer confidence? Brexit.

    I'm also starting to see signs of movement of people. I know that friends of mine and indeed I myself am looking at possibilities elsewhere and now I hear that estate agents in areas of France popular with Brits (the Dordogne was used as an example) are reporting levels of activity they just don't see at this time of year, normally - and it's all Brits. My guess at this stage is that people with some money are making preparations just in case. It will be interesting to see the migration figures over the next few years.
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    Re: Brexit Questions

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    As far as I can make it out, if we do not solve the Irish Border issue we have committed to accepting the EU fallback position which is that we leave but must comply with all EU trade regulations. Which we will have no say in whatever. Which means that we will have all the disadvantages of membership, economically, and none of the advantages.

    I have no faith in Johnson, Fox, Davis and May to sort this out. I can't see how they can fudge it, either, without creating a massive smuggling problem. Unless the DUP decide they want brexit more than complete Union with the UK and let the Border be in the Irish Sea.
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