johnscot here. a lot has happened over the last couple of years. Perhaps now, before choice becomes a forgotten word, it's time to really reflect on the ignorance of what we thought we are, and consider what we should be! We are all one!

<r>chonsigirl wrote: *speaking in tongues means speaking in an unknown language to the speaker*<br/> <br/> Usually along Biblical lines if it is vocal in a religious setting, an "interpreter" should translate the message-all of these languages unknown to them.<br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> If life is a dre...

<t>chonsigirl wrote: You would have to cite the examples with the proof, dear johnscott. There is more then one definition for examples such as these, along religious lines. And speaking in an unknown foreign language is quite common in pentecostal churches, it is one of the Gifts of the Spirit that...

<t>chonsigirl wrote: Ah, you hint at reincarnation, an endless cycle of rebirth. I would not want to be constantly reborn into this world, once is enough for me! Because the soul would already know that an endless struggle lay ahead, and what would be the fun in fighting it all over again?<br/> <br/...

<t>chonsigirl wrote: What if an individual just doesn't mesh with the other food sources, a little botulism could occur.........................<br/> <br/> It is the individual that counts to God, that includes all of mankind. I believe God takes an active role in an individual's life, it is not a t...

<r>chonsigirl wrote: The viewpoint of the world varies between individuals, so in one meaning you can see all views are correct. But is the real viewpoint only perceived through the “rose-colored” lenses each of us wear, or is there a universal truth?<br/> <br/> Or is the truth still lay...

<t>chonsigirl wrote: "The soul is the mirror of the universe" Leibniz<br/> <br/> So you agree with Leibniz, by only looking inward we can perceive the universe, by denial of sensory input?<br/> <br/> I believe in the concept of the soul, within the physical form. There is that which exists within us...

<t>ArnoldLayne wrote: If you think its hard to talk of abstract things in a limited language, you will understand that it is difficult to grasp such abstract things with a limited brain. I think I understood that .The insect on the paper was an analogy I could understand. Are you saying it is possib...

<r>chonsigirl wrote: No, sensory perception differs among individuals, otherwise we would all end up the same. Experiences would be the same, life would be very boring with copy cats all over.<br/> <br/> *well, maybe I do copy the latest fashion-but not!*<br/> <br/> Johnscott, you can change to a ne...

<t>ArnoldLayne wrote: Of course our thoughts and ideas and perceptions are different but when we react in the physical sense our realities must knit together or we wouldnt wouldnt be able to percieve each other. Im not saying we intertwine perfectly but there must be a common *glue* holding us all t...

<t>ArnoldLayne wrote: If Kierkegaard saw the outside world as a creation of someones mind and that every body has to find their own reality, how do we all co-exist and intertwine so perfectly in our own worlds. Are other peoples reality linked to mine or is it really all one thing. Surely for people...

<t>chonsigirl wrote: Like Kierkegaard, where to know oneself you must completely withdraw, then begin the cycle of acceptance, terror, detachment and acceptance of the Creator? He is an interesting existentialist, but seems to multiply the problems the human spirit and mind must undergo to reach the...

<t>chonsigirl wrote: Now johnscott, you never know if the original post was a mistake or not, it could have been fixed in "time" for that post to appear, and not at an earlier time. What would have T Rex done if that post had shown up, right when he was ready to get a mouth watering snack?<br/> <br/...

<r>Accountable wrote: I suppose for the sake of delving into this, I should look at what I consider to be considered adult human decision-making to be simply high-level animal instinct? Is that close to your understanding?<br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> And I still don't have a grasp of any reason to entert...

<t>Accountable wrote: I was just getting my sea legs with this subject.<br/> <br/> <br/> Hi AC. Yes , it's a struggle. When Gurdjieff says we are 'mechanical' he doesn't mean we CAN'T take responsibility for our own perceptions of reality. He means that until we have done the 'Work' required, we are...

<r>chonsigirl wrote: AC, I used this last night for reference. It will be interesting to hear johnscott's reply. I think I put in my previous post it was an academic exerciese for me, and reminded me of classes in college where we would debate such systems. I took many being in the social sciences.<...

<t>chonsigirl wrote: He's right, AC and the rest of us are here alot-have a good night's sleep johnscott! Let the ego go with the flow of your dreams, and tell us where you emerge in the morning's soft light!:)<br/> <br/> <br/> Thanks to you both. By the way Chonsi, I'm a 'Jungian' myself! <br/> <br...

<t>Accountable wrote: All right. Hold on a sec. My eyes are stinging and I'm choking, I'm so far back in the dust.<br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> Why should I even be interested, John? Why are you so turned onto this that you'd bring it to imperfect strangers?<br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> Good question! I'v...

<t>chonsigirl wrote: If time is a human conception, is it locked into a forward movement, or is there no movement at all?<br/> <br/> The concept of the universe from the basis of science would put it in a forward motion, constantly moving in one direction.<br/> <br/> But, if time is an illussionary ...

<t>chonsigirl wrote: Or maybe it exists all the time, we have not enough cognition to recognize it, but only aspects of it..................that is why there are various facets to philosophical and belief systems.<br/> <br/> <br/> Ah, yes the Cosmic Wheel and it's spokes. Time too, is perhaps simply...

<t>chonsigirl wrote: Or is it the purpose of life to remain "inbalanced" to continue to strive and reach for the perfect achievements that lay outside our grasp? Humans need that added push to keep going, and questioning as they progress through their lives.<br/> <br/> <br/> Maybe we're not as impor...

<t>chonsigirl wrote: What if a person is more attuned to the harmonius aspect of their being, then the other latent traits? (through misuc)<br/> <br/> Is that not also reminiscent of Plato's Ideals? The reality exists elsewhere, in the perfected state but not here in the mortal realm.<br/> <br/> <br...

<t>chonsigirl wrote: To "actualize latent potentialities" you think this exists in all of us? Some are born with different areas of abilities, and others are not. Do you believe that they exist within all of us, even if they are in the"off" mode?<br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> My understanding of this...

that's the whole point - true free will doesn't come in; not until we achieve sufficient inner balance to enable free will to be born

Betty Boop wrote: Help me out with some ideas here Nomad!!!


Hey, Betty Boop, you could send me pasties and I could send you haggis (from Edinburgh)

we don't have any Rockies here! (Got the Highlands though . . . and haggis)

Thanks Chonsigirl. Hi

<t>OOps sorry ArnoldLayne, just sussed that was from you, not babyrider. Only joined today so finding my way around. Anyway, one image Gurdjieff presented was that of the human being being a 3 brained animal i.e. mind (menal); heart (emotional); body (physical). 'WE ARE ASLEEP!', he stated. He liken...

Hi Babyrider

thanks

check out 'In Search of the Miraculous' by P.D. Ouspenski. It's the best introduction to the work of Gurdjieff

Gurdjieff chrystalised many 'comparative spirituality' Truths into a working system for the modern west. A synthesis of east and west!