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<t>littleCJelkton;1391039 wrote: Man you guys never stop this I said he said merry go round do you. You say i am some what contradicting that is only because I must work with what I am given. You admit the existence of butterflies and Einstien but are not them. That is because butterflie...

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<t>theia;1391072 wrote: IS, you've talked elsewhere about your revelation from/of God and that you know it was very real for you. If someone else posted on this thread that they had had a revelation from/of God and that this showed them that Jesus was born of a virgin, did perform miracle...

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<r>AnneBoleyn;1391028 wrote: It is always interesting to know what others think. You don't see yourself as others see you. And here I am, trying so hard to learn diplomacy. <E>:-)</E> That was of course made up to fulfill prophecy, as Jesus' alleged last words on the cross did...

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<t>AnneBoleyn;1391023 wrote: I reject "justly convicted of treason." That is because, to use your own words, "Christ was a man, a Jew among Jews, living under an oppressive Roman occupation". Therefore, Jesus was a patriot to his own people, his own country. The treason was in the mind of the occupi...

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<t>Ahso!;1391019 wrote: So like many individuals who (re)turn to religion later, guilt was the driving force? That suggests that the precepts of that guilt were most likely instilled at a young age, though that's not necessary all together. One might think that once one surrenders to God ...

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<t>AnneBoleyn;1391014 wrote: So to make a long story short, you have no historical evidence of your theory on the life of Jesus. Which is only right, as there is none. You have good theories, but that is all they are. If they are theories, they are theories grounded in reason. It ge...

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<t>rajakrsna;1390963 wrote: Snooze Again a theist? How can a firetruck be a theist? I say that nothing is beyond the power of God. I used to be an atheist. I used to laugh at people that claimed God and the spirit world. Now, twenty five years later I claim to have had a revelation ...

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<t>littleCJelkton;1390978 wrote: It, they, them, us, you, she he, and we are all external of Me, Myself, and I thus "We" can not internally experience anything, but Me Myself and I can internally experience everything. With that said, if someone were to claim to internally experience a re...

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AnneBoleyn;1390999 wrote: He does assume a lot. Even a well-thought out opinion is still opinion.

It's only an opinion to the uninformed.

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SnoozeAgain;1390920 wrote: I could have done without the bin Laden comparison but other than that I like what you wrote.

Personally I think the comparison is quite apt.

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<t>hoppy;841944 wrote: In the past 10 days I lost 3 friends. One was quite young. I been doing lots of thinking about death, christianity etc. Enough thinking to realize I just don't understand christianity. Somewhere, long ago, I read that the Christianity of today is nothing like the ch...

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<t>TruthBringer;1390724 wrote: Jesus is Christ is God Is The Holy Spirit As One God. The Only God. The Father, The Son, And The Holy Spirit, As One. Always And Forever. Amen. Correction: Jesus was a Jew of Ancient Judea that fought against Roman oppression and religious hyposcrisy. ...

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<r>SnoozeAgain;1390667 wrote: Is this a religious forum? I've noticed all the god threads but I was hoping it was just a phase we were going through. It's probably a phase, like you say. Don't worry, it will probably pass. Chances are that with growing wisdom you too will become a t...

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I don't understand the fuss. The kid looks happy to me.

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<t>oscar;1390638 wrote: Awww thanks.... Well, I've always been a kind of ' show me the money type'... and I suppose that means I'm a non believer simply because I've yet to see proof of the existence of a God. However, I would never ridicule those who have... maybe I'm just waiting...<br/...

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<t>oscar;1390635 wrote: I would miss you... I thoroughly enjoy your threads. Good luck with your work. Oh, thanks. I've run across some of your threads, but I've yet to figure out where you stand on the chessboard of religion and faith. (silly metaphor, I know:)) Still, I...

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<r>Hi. It's all about me. No, I'm kidding. I joined this club of thinkers not because I believe I have anything valuable to offer, but because my summer work has yet to start. As long as I have some free time I might as well irritate as many people as I can.<E>;)</E> Hate to wa...

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Ahso!;1390611 wrote: That's coincidence. Take my word for it. You're welcome here.

You mean it doesn't bother you that I'm right and you're wrong?

You are one hell of a guy.

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<r>What's even funnier is they probably were all coming form the same prayer meeting. <E>:)</E> Call it a hasty generalization, but I find most Christians to be the most judgemental, unforgiving, and unreasoned people I've ever met. Now I know that might make some folks mad, but I tell you before th...

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<t>Ahso!;1390602 wrote: Care to explain this? You mean, what is a "teat"? LOL No, that's just some whimsical speculation there, that's all. You'll notice I said, "It may be..."--just speculation. You were the one that brought up "soul" and what might be embedded in it. I ...

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<t>Ahso!;1390597 wrote: You're pretty smooth, IS, you've got everyone in the thread acquiescing to your religious vernacular. I wouldn't doubt you'll eventually make the claim somewhere either in this thread or another that religion is embedded deep in the soul of every human and that's ...

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<t>Pappy;1390514 wrote: Prove God exists. Smart ass answers don't cut it. Now frigging BAN me! If you'd been following this thread, you'd know that there is no proof of God independent a personal revelation. You might as well ask Bryn if he's had his experience of God yet, since out...

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<t>Ahso!;1390590 wrote: Since there's no God there's no such a thing as sin. Sin Sin, n. [OE. sinne, AS. synn, syn; akin to D. zonde, OS. sundia, OHG. sunta, G. s["u]nde, Icel., Dan. & Sw. synd, L. sons, sontis, guilty, perhaps originally from the p. pr. of ...

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<t>gmc;1390523 wrote: Make up your own mind. What i would not accept is someone telling me I could not read it if I so choose - I haven't actually read it nor am I particularly inclined to but that was and is my choice. Sin is subjective, if someone has told you it is a sin and you believe them that...

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<r>koan;1390508 wrote: I should think it highly desirable to expose yourself to literature of every sort. How you react is entirely useful to understanding your own nature. It's not a sin to read de Sade, it's not a sin to be turn on by it, however, it is definitely of questionable integrity to perf...

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<t>LarsMac;1390414 wrote: Understanding where the guy came from is probably important. I would probably never recommend his work to anyone. I think that what you put into your head can have a profound affect on you, in what you do, how you see others, and how you relate to them. <b...

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<r>LarsMac;1390394 wrote: I was fairly young at the time, and quite curious. I found it very disturbing, but terribly fascinating. At the time, I was also hanging out with a libertine crowd. It was frightening what people enjoy doing to others, and maybe even more so what some people will...

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<r>spot;1390377 wrote: I'd have thought it self-evident that the only person who can speak with authority on the effect of such an inner exploration is one who's undertaken it. I'd not presume to answer on behalf of such a person. I think you should call for volunteers at this point. <br/...

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<t>spot;1390363 wrote: I've never heard of such an instance. I do have friends who would have committed sexual crimes, like rape or bestiality, were it not for their escape though de Sade's literature and the dungeon experiences they engaged in as a direct result of reading his life history and his ...

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<t>spot;1390353 wrote: That, I think, is a fair description of what I was aiming to convey. De Sade did things and it was those actions I was talking about. His fiction isn't constrained by informed consent, because it fantasizes - much as J K Rowling or C S Lewis fantasize. Just as writi...

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<r>LarsMac;1390351 wrote: The guy was a pretty twisted sister. What is called Sadism, these days, tends to be fairly mild compared to the good Marquis' antics. I have known some folks that took this stuff pretty far, but they were consensual adults, so I make no judgments. <b...

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<t>spot;1390345 wrote: What you have is a problem with language. The accurate phrasing is "I don't have the slightest idea why I believed that God revealed Itself to me. But I did.". What you're confusing is the causative agent. You're misplacing an internal interpretation into the external realm an...

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<t>spot;1390344 wrote: Because it's part of the job description of Christians and Muslims to spread the good word and convert the unbelievers. Walking away from such iniquity would itself be iniquitous. It behoves good people to fight wickedness like that whenever they see it. I hav...

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<r>spot;1390343 wrote: If I remember correctly, everything he advocated involved informed consent. If it's not consensual then it's not Sadism, it's torture. If it's torture then it's sinful and depraved. If it's Sadism it's merely depraved. Do we have something against depravity all of a sudden?<br...

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<t>On a recent visit to my parents I found a book called, "120 Days of Sodom," by the infamous Marquis de Sade. It's not my parents, it is apparently a book belonging to my brother from long, long ago, hidden under the basement steps sometime in the 80's I suppose. I'd only heard of de Sade, and tha...

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<r>rajakrsna;1390162 wrote: God is a person. God can be proven he exist from our personal experience. If you have not experienced God in your personal life it is simply because you closed the door for God to come into your life. So, if you want God to come into your life then you open that door &...

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<t>Pappy;1390150 wrote: The very fact that no one here can present anything but personal experience testifies to the fact its a head game. I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish by calling revelation a "head game." I guess one could label just about anything a head game if they wa...

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<t>littleCJelkton;1390314 wrote: Wheat everything you said can be explained economics, beauty, education, and general happiness, your god can not that is why you and others like yourself never have the slightest idea on anything and thank you for clearing it up that religiously fanatical nut jobs ar...

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<t>Ahso!;1390160 wrote: So, come on and tell me IS, why you and not Lisa Steinberg? Why does God favor you above her? We're you more sincere than Lisa? Was Lisa created only to be tortured and murdered? Answer the tough questions. It's the argument from evil again. If I could solve ...

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<t>Pappy;1389989 wrote: God is Imaginary - 50 simple proofs: God is Imaginary - 50 simple proofs God may be imaginary to you, but not to one who has personally experienced God. The only action you--or anyone--could perform for the purpose of obtaining "proof" o...

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<t>Pappy;1389972 wrote: Are you serious? :yh_rotfl The rest is assumption and mostly argument from ignorance.... On the contrary, revelation is the only experience that overcomes circular reasoning and the argument from ignorance. There could be no greater proof of God outside of pe...

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<t>Bryn Mawr;1389977 wrote: With apologies, I've just been in to check and you do not have the ability - all you can do is edit the part you don't want out. That's strange. You'd think if I can erase a post down to a few characters I'd also have the ability to erase a post in entire...

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<t>Pappy;1389974 wrote: So other than what you say what external proof do you have some god did this? Another assumption...man this forum is full of them. Were you more familiar with my line of argument you would know that there can be no external proof. The "...

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<r>Bryn Mawr;1389961 wrote: Edit post then delete - the facility can only be used in the first day after posting. I must be stupid. But tell me, where is the "delete" button? I mean, this shouldn't be that hard. It's probably right under my hair-ridden nose. I go into EDIT and I loo...

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<t>Ahso!;1389947 wrote: Why did God ignore the prayers of so many others but heard and responded to yours? I can only guess. For one, I was desperate and in need of a miracle; not everyone needs a miracle. It wasn't because I was so holy or anything like that. On the contrary, I was...

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<t>Pappy;1389803 wrote: Loving God hmmmmm,lets see he killed what over 2 million in the Bible not to mention women and children...yeah I would say this is the kind of god man would create. Odd how the myth writers only made Satan kill 16. You see something wring with this picture? A...

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<t>Ahso!;1389368 wrote: What about your God? A description of God would be nice. If you'll allow me to be bold and use my own alleged revelation of God, I'll tell you. In brief, I am convinced that God responded to my prayer. Even though I had serious doubts about God's e...

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<t>Pappy;1389807 wrote: Not quite sure what your agreeing with? The debate is "circular logic". Christian: God exist. Atheists: How do you know God exist? Christian: Because the Bible says so. Atheists: How do you know the Bible is true? Christ...

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<t>Ahso!;1389893 wrote: That's not accurate. Not all nonbelievers ask for scientific proof, I for one have never asked for that, I've always maintained that there is no God as surely as there are no ghosts or santa claus or three little pigs or jedi. They're all stories, including yours. ...

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