<t>Accountable;1423228 wrote: This is what I'm getting at. Losing too much liberty goes against civilization.<br/>
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The inevitable abuse of power at the expense of individual liberties. Liberties which pose no threat to true public servants, but which become a vulnerability ...

<t>oscar;1423247 wrote: Is there actually any reason as why you seem to hone In on my posts and threads?<br/>
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You are posting from America so you haven't had a horse meat Issue with food... If you had, then post In the horse meat scandal thread, not here.<br/>
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In reviewing my ...

Bryn Mawr;1423207 wrote: Thought control also we do not need?
Exactly! Outlaw double-negatives!!!

But, dark sarcasm has its place! :yh_wink

We don't need no education . . . . .

Does this thread have anything to do with all the horsemeat that's been showing up in our food?

<t>Accountable;1422668 wrote: The Germans of the 1930s?<br/>
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Martin Niemoller's "First they came . . . " quote persuades me that this society was not without some responsibility. Nobody deserved the Third Reich, of course, but their ascension did not take place in a vacuum.<br/>
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<t>Accountable;1422639 wrote: Part of the problem is probably that the very word is ambiguous.<br/>
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No doubt. Perhaps that is what drives the conversation. :yh_wink<br/>
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Accountable;1422643 wrote: This only makes sense if civility was and end (a purpose) of ...

<t>Accountable;1422580 wrote: (1) I agree. Dependence is the antonym of liberty.<br/>
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(2) I agree, and those strings limit liberty. However, is it more civilized to allow people to fend for themselves without a government safety net?<br/>
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(3) I don't understand. Where does civility ...

Eris;1422254 wrote: Humans are apes.


Well, ape-ish!

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

<t>Accountable;1422543 wrote: Devil's Advocate Question: Do you see decreasing gov't assistance as increasing liberty (and becoming more civilized)?<br/>
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Increasing the liberty of the individuals? Yes. Off the top of my head:<br/>
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1) Dependence on the government is not liberty to ...

Accountable;1422531 wrote: Do you mean that individual liberty would increase . . .


Yes, individual liberties would increase IF we were becoming more civilized.

Bruv;1422492 wrote: Fakin'It.....

Are you saying...............Mankind survives due to divine intervention, despite running against the evolutionary grain ?


In part, yes.

<t>Accountable;1422495 wrote: I think that if we can iron this out then we can naturally tie in to the OP question.<br/>
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Fair enough.<br/>
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"The more civilized we become, the less individual liberties we get to keep."<br/>
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IF we were becoming more civilized, individual ...

<t>Ahso!;1422481 wrote: There is no why. The quote you cited is about biology. Attempting to turn it into a philosophical/religious argument is nonsensical.<br/>
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Not at all. Rome is burning, at the hands of the most evolved creature in history, and you're not curious to ask why? There ...

<t>Ahso!;1422424 wrote: I think you're taking the quote philosophically while it's in a biological context. Natural Selection is all about biology.<br/>
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Yes, I suppose I am. But, it ought to be part of the conversation. Here's why:<br/>
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<t>Bryn Mawr;1422398 wrote: It affects individual posts rather than entire forums. As with many intermittent problems it is proving very difficult to track down. It is triggered by a particualr phrase within the text of the message and if you can isolate and change that phrase then the post will go ...

<t>Ahso!;1422235 wrote: I didn't know that. Care to elaborate? Have you read anything Charles Darwin wrote?<br/>
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It was a joke. Without getting in over my head, I should say that I am not a student of Darwin. My curiosity is limited to finding the common ground ...

Bryn Mawr;1422406 wrote: Personally, I'm damn'd if the system will stop me having my say :wah:
Is the name of the system The Wife, by any chance? :yh_wink

<t>Bryn Mawr;1422398 wrote: It affects individual posts rather than entire forums. As with many intermittent problems it is proving very difficult to track down. It is triggered by a particualr phrase within the text of the message and if you can isolate and change that phrase then the post will go ...

Ahso!;1422235 wrote: I didn't know that. Care to elaborate? Have you read anything Charles Darwin wrote?


Ahso!, I am trying to answer but having trouble posting my response. I'll keep plugging away!

I'm in. Same problem tonight.

Edit: So, why can I post here but not in the Forum?

<t>halfway;1422076 wrote: Our techno,ogy has far outpaced our civility.<br/>
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I believe man is "fallen" and that very nature can barely be contained let alone completely changed. History shows this clearly.<br/>
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Are you including the spiritual aspect of this word, "sin," in your ...

Accountable;1422008 wrote: That's true. Same thing with "advanced".


According to Darwin, we shouldn't be here! :yh_wink

<t>Accountable;1418600 wrote: "The more civilized we become, the less individual liberties we get to keep."<br/>
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This was a quote from a member of another forum. He actually wrote it with an air of "of course, so what?"<br/>
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What say you?<br/>
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Thanks, everybody. And thanks for the song, along-for-the-ride. I shared my Fakin' It story over in the music section.

<t>AussiePam;1363736 wrote: Nice one, Theia and Betty !!! I like Sound of Silence too, and I am a Rock. Simon and Garfunkel were great. Paul Simon on his own.. Slip Sliding Away, and Fifty Ways to Leave Your Lover.... wow...<br/>
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Hey, all!

Lots to choose from here, hope to see you around.