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<r>By 'particles', I refer to point particles such as electrons, photons, protons, neutrons, gluons, muons, gravitons, and so on. Right. OK, but even at this sub-atomic level there are constraints on these interactions. An individual particle may have no choice in what other individ...

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<r>In other words, action and reaction. I certainly won't refute what you say. Nonetheless, it would only take one thing to devoid life on this planet as we know it. Right. But that does not preclude life as we donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t know it. Biologists have speculated on life for...

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<t>Open, from your O.P. Aside from this, life as we know it on this planet has developed into a self-sustaining entity. A complex structure that reproduces itself. Could this have been the result of the random interplay of particles and energy? Consider the odds for a life form as intrica...

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<r>OpenMind wrote: That is my stance, I hope it helps you understand where I am coming from. Sorry I doubted you (now I've done a day's work, I am more awake). Great, we're on the same wavelength. I'll give you my thoughts on your OP in the next couple of days, I've a lot of work to...

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<t>Memebias, you have not once presented a criticism of the main text I posted, you only criticised a short answer to yours about my use of the word 'miracle'. Are you sure you are not criticising me for the sake of it? Criticizing you for the sake of it? No. But you hav...

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Bryn Mawr wrote: Excuse me? Would you care to explain this 'cos it don't seem to make no sense to me!

It makes perfect sense if you are someone who thinks British Columbia is part of the British Isles.

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<t>we don't know the laws that drive the quanta to create and sustain the life we know and experience IsnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t it a huge assumption that there are in fact such laws? Is there any evidence that there is some kind of undiscovered facet of quantum theory that Ã¢â‚¬ËœdrivesÃ¢â‚¬â„¢...

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<t>OpenMind wrote: An interesting statement, Memebias. I wonder if you would care to explain why you think or believe it to be other than a miracle. Certainly Open, weÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ll take your points one at a time. But first, IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢d like to clear up something. Your use of the word Ã¢...

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<t>OpenMind wrote: We take our bodies for granted. But they are truly a miracle. The deeper science goes into the workings of the universe, the more amazed I am at the wonder of life. A thought provoking piece. Needless to say, I see no miracles in the processes you describe, but in...

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And as figs are not in season in Palestine during the Passover period, (March/April), either this biblical incident is midrashic, a parable about figs corrupted by oral transmission (see Luke 13:6-9), or Jesus was demented.

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<t>How many times I have heard this argurment. But then we have the prophesies regarding the Messiah which came to pass exactly as the prophets fortold. Come on Downag. Let's have the prophesies, with verses, and without adding, subtracting, or ignoring bits you don't think fit.<br/...

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<t>This was the custom that if there were no sons born to a family, then the lineage would be passed on to the daughters husband, in that marriage, as by law. Its time to wake up, for most of the events of the end times are past history. The one world system is here and contr...

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<t>Ted, thanks for two questions that can be answered together. The geneologies are for Joseph and Mary. One naming the line through Levi (the tribe of priests) and the other of Judas (Judah) (the royal line). Making it perfectly legal for Jesus to be both High Priest and King. ...

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<r>Bronwen wrote: When I posted that, I had completely forgotten (old age y'know) that there was also a film version which you can probably rent. Heres' a link: <URL url="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099731/">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099731/</URL> Once again, thanks B...

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<t>downag wrote: So?! My faith isn't shaken. If your's is, you might try praying more. Or is it an intellectual thing with you? My faith? Pray more? Are you serious? :wah: You would like to destroy someone elses faith? Is that it? If you think ...

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<r>Bronwen wrote: Canadian author Margaret Atwood wrote an interesting novel, The Handmaid's Tale(Canada: McClelland & Stewart; USA: Houghton Mifflin, 1985), about what life might be like under such a regime. Thanks Bronwen, another book to add onto a long and expensive list. <E...

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Bronwen wrote:

"The Ayatollah of Holy Rollers"

By Steve Weissman

Tuesday 31 May 2005

Death by stoning for atheists, adulterers, and practicing male homosexuals.

Are things really that bad in the U.S.?

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<t>downag wrote: Memebias; Uh, two different anointings at two different times by two different women at two different locations. d:-5 If these are indeed two separate incidents recounted by eyewitnesses, why are they not mentioned as such? Why do we not hear a...

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<t>downag wrote: memebias, What is your question or what is the contradiction? WhoÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s house? John Ã¢â‚¬â€œ LazarusÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ house in Bethany Mark - Simon the Leper's house in Bethany Luke - Simon the Pharisee's house in Galilee, <br...

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<t>downag wrote: I first did this study using an older Strong's Exhaustive Concordence which has disappeared from my library. There was a reference about HaAdam vs. just Adam, but the newer conmcordences don't carry the distinction. Sorry. Using the university ATHENS data...

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In the Masorah manuscript. After God's day of rest in the supposed rehash, the Masorah says of the creation of "HaAdam". THE MAN!

Where does it say this? I cannot find one Hebrew or Greek concordance or biblical entry for the word "HaAdam".

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downag wrote: We are going to try and address so-called "contradictions" some folks say they see in the Bible.

Let's keep it simple and go one at a time.

d:-5

The Anointing at Bethany.

1. When?

2.Who's house?

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<t>Not as I see it - I view the Jewish scriptures as suspect - thus - they do have some truth - but they also contain a lot of falsehoods. Where Jesus seemingly quotes them - then I believe there is truth - but where Jesus contradicts the Jewish writings - there is the falsehood. W...

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<r>Christofer wrote: Well - before I answer that - let me say that I put Jesus first. He is my teacher and master - not the books of the Jewish religion. With that being said, what Jesus said trumps all else. Does this mean all the sayings which were attributed to Jesus, but in fact...

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<t>Christofer wrote: hi memebias - I personally do believe in a fallen angel who is personified as the 'devil' in our reality. Right, thanks for the unambiguous answer. Now, Christofer, how exactly did Satan become the arch enemy of God - a fallen angel? Can you find anyw...

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Seems to me that sin is still sin whether or not Satan is real or not.

Christofer. A straight question, I'd appreciate a straight answer -

Do you believe Satan is real?

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<t>downag wrote: As for you statement about Jesus being mistaken, dream on. He was the son of the living God YHVH and is the fulfillment of all OT prophesy regarding the appearing of the MESSIAH. Some of which has yet to take place. I love O.T 'prophesy'. Any particular ...

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<t>Christofer wrote: In this light - the person of Satan is actually speaking in Job... Can you clarify this please? In light of him being a fallen angel? Or a metaphor? When speaking of the plenty of scriptures - I also meant books outside of the Bible - suc...

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<t>Christofer wrote: This is an interesting thought - I mean - while I can see what you are saying - there is plenty of scripture that would disagree strongly with the idea that Satan is merely a device to explain evil. After all - Jesus said He saw Satan fall - didn't He? Take a lo...

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<t>Christofer wrote: Perhaps that was one of the reasons God HAD to send His Son? Someone had to set the world straight! So one of the reasons someone had to be nailed to a piece of wood is because humans have all by themselves come up with the flawed idea of pacifism in the face of...

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<t>There is a 'reward' mentioned with concern to loving your enemy, but it isn't identified as 'salvation' as far as I know. Not the point. The point is the pagans who also developed this philosophy didnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t mention a reward of any kind. Their beliefs were not as dominated by ...

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<t>Christofer wrote: I don't think of salvation as a reward - it is a gift of grace! The pleasure of following Jesus is rewarding within itself - the only reward IS in the action itself. But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shal...

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<r>Christofer wrote: Same God? I can't believe it. <E>:)</E> The true God commands us to LOVE - even our enemies ! You'd expect some originality from a god wouldn't you? How shall I defend myself against an enemy? By being good and kind towards him ...

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<t>You are questioning the intelligence of millions of folks in this world past and present. No Ted, I am questioning the beliefs of millions of intelligent folks past and present. Big difference. Quite frankly that is offensive. It must be nice to think of oneself as ha...

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<t>Ted wrote: That some early Christian beliefs came from other religions is not even in question as far as the Bible is concerned. Several things are known to be borowed: one of them being the creation stories. As I said Ted, it's not the case of "several things", there's not one m...

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<r>spot wrote: Josephus, Life: 76 Cheers. Not that apologists should be jumping up and down at the mention of three crucified. Not unless they want to invoke Dr. Who and move Jesus' death forward in time. <E>:)</E> Whether the Josephus references to both Jesus and James ...

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<t>All Josephus does, if I remember, is refer to the cruxifixion of three unnamed men one of whom survived the experience. Are you sure it's Josephus you're thinking of Spot? I don't recall the passage. We've mentioned the no-Jesus and one-Jesus explanations of history -...

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<t>OpenMind wrote: A perplexing thing, eh? Yet, I can't imagine the Roman Catholic church making it all up. Some part of it has to be true. If a lie, then it would be unique if no part of it is based upon truth. As the old saying goes, all lies are based upon truth. This still holds good even today....

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<t>OpenMind wrote: What's your standing on it, Meme. I tend to believe that Jesus existed, even if, perhaps he had a different name. If nothing else, his execution would have been recorded. I used to assume a historical Jesus existed, minus supernatural powers, maybe a ra...

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OpenMind wrote: I would be interested in your review and comments, Meme.

You'll have to wait till June at the earliest for a review of the movie, but I've got plenty of comments of my own regarding the mythical Jesus theory

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<t>OpenMind wrote: This seems to me to be an obvious plot to use for a film discrediting Christianity. So, I would be interested in seeing the basis of its argument. I doubt if its arguments are radically different than those you'll find in the standard "Jesus is a myth" debates you...

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<t>Bronwen wrote: Mem, do you live anywhere near Llandudno? There used to be a cable car line there called the Great Orme Railway or Tramway. Do you know if it's still in operation? It was operating last time I heard Bronwen (2005 holiday season). I go past Llandudno on the A55 usua...

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Any Cymry (Welsh folks) here who can share with us how they celebrate the holiday? Is it as big an occasion in Wales as St. Patrick's Day is in Ireland?

Not in North East Wales.

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<r>If you take a look at the notes at the back of the book "Excavating Jesus" you will find that both Reed and Crossan referred to archaeologists in their work. Crossan does not invent data he searches it out and documents his searches in the notes and the Bibliography. ThereÃ¢â‚¬â...

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<t>You are still making an assumption that is not supported by many of the scholars. It doesnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t have to be backed up by scholars Ted, itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s just a common sense assumption. If theists believe there are things we cannot comprehend, we can only assume this is the way thei...

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<r>I have found an interesting web page by Rick Reinckens which tells us more about the subject of the fallen angels. <URL url="http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/satan.htm">http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/satan.htm</URL> I can't see what Ezekiel 28:12-15 has to do with Sa...

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<t>You are making an assumption about the use of metaphor and God that is simply that, an assumption and one that not everyone would hold to. And is this assumption any more unreasonable than assuming that truth can be found by the liberal interpretation of the bible Ted? Or the ass...

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<r>Any language that we use to describe the Divine is by its very nature purely metaphorical. It can be no other way. Our human languages are not designed to describe or define the infinite or the Divine. Metaphor is used to get around the limits of human understanding. If this is t...

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<r>I cannot accept that the denial of the haulocaust"is evidence to the contrary". That is an assumption that cannot be substantiated. Do you really mean this Ted or have we got our wires crossed? We have the eyewitness accounts of the Allied troops that liberated these camps, the e...

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<r>We certainly disagree on more then we agree. However, that is life. ThatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s the beauty of boards like this Ted. A chance to test the validity of our respective (dis)beliefs.<E>:)</E> It is amazing though how many folks denied the haulocaust within 40 years of th...

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