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<t>Glaswegian wrote: â€˜A culture that celebrates femininity and considers women to be the masters of their own lives is better than a culture that mutilates girlsâ€™ genitals and confines them behind walls and veils or flogs or stones them for falling in love.â€™ - Excerpted from Nomad: A Personal ...

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<t>MUHAMMAD AND AISHA A Modern Day Analogy MUHAMMAD (1933 AD) This uncivilized and murderous brute lusted after a female who was much younger and smaller than himself ~o0o~ AISHA (1933 AD) <br...

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<t>Glaswegian;1339927 wrote: Tell me, K: why do you think Muhammad married six year old Aisha? Do you think it was because he was impressed by the power of her intellect? Do you think it was because he wanted her to be his personal spiritual advisor? Do you think i...

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<t>Glaswegian wrote: This is why it is possible to hold - as I do - that some moral codes are better than others. gmc;1340189 wrote: It's a moot point you can argue till the cows come home without coming to any conclusion. You can hold that view if the moral code happens to be the one you agree...

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<t>gmc;1339923 wrote: Moral judgement becomes possible but is always subjective. I agree. You and I are on the same track. The reason why this isnâ€™t obvious to you is because we are using different terms with which to orient ourselves. So bear with me while I try to set out my pos...

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<t>Glaswegian;1339927 wrote: Tell me, K: why do you think Muhammad married six year old Aisha? Do you think it was because he was impressed by the power of her intellect? Do you think it was because he wanted her to be his personal spiritual advisor? Do you think i...

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<t>K.Snyder;1338925 wrote: Personal survival just appears as species survival because everyone molds their virtue around it, everyone. What this means is that marrying a 9 year old can and does only exits when the one marrying the 9 year old wishes to fulfill their personal pleasures der...

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<t>Bryn Mawr;1338808 wrote: Given that you accept that moral values are subject to change I'd like to examine the implications of that belief. If moral values can change over time, over a great deal of time they can change a great deal. What is morally acceptable now might well have been ...

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<t>K.Snyder;1338925 wrote: What's entirely a horrendous mistake is using the title "Was the founder of Islam a Paedophile?" because it's a horrible inaccuracy compared to the facts having been presented along with it. Unless of course I'm missing the blatant proof Muhammed had sex with this girl, ca...

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<t>gmc;1338493 wrote: The argument you put, are you saying some cultures have a manifest destiny to extend the benefits of their culture around the world? No. I donâ€™t believe in the concept of â€˜destinyâ€™ - whether it is applied to individuals, cultures or anything else. But I d...

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<t>Ahso!;1338813 wrote: You all have been working pretty hard on this discussion. I for one have been enjoying it lately. Thanks. Morality is certainly an interesting subject. Is this where you had hoped it would lead to, Glaswegian? No. I didn't know where the discussion would lead,...

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<t>â€˜A culture that celebrates femininity and considers women to be the masters of their own lives is better than a culture that mutilates girlsâ€™ genitals and confines them behind walls and veils or flogs or stones them for falling in love.â€™ - Excerpted from Nomad: A Personal Journey Through Th...

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<t>Glaswegian;1338470 wrote: ‘HONOR KILLINGS' IN USA RAISE CONCERNS ‘Muslim immigrant men have been accused of six "honor killings" in the United States in the past two years, prompting concerns that the Muslim community and police need to do more to stop such crimes. "There i...

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<t>Ahso!;1338522 wrote: I think survival will in most cases trump morality. Here's a case which bears on this... In the Nazi death camps the vast majority of prisoners complied with the SS in order to maximise their chances of survival. Some of these prisoners did not merely comply w...

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<t>Glaswegian wrote: This is why it is possible for human beings to act nobly under the most adverse conditions. Ahso!;1338503 wrote: Why should they? Perhaps some human beings just want to act nobly, Ahso. Perhaps they prefer to do that rather than wake up screaming at night. W...

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<t>Bryn Mawr;1336688 wrote: You insist that you do not regard a set of moral values as invariable but then you insist on judging other cultures by your set of moral values. Thatâ€™s right. I regard moral values as subject to change - my own set included. The set of moral values which I currentl...

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<t>‘HONOR KILLINGS' IN USA RAISE CONCERNS ‘Muslim immigrant men have been accused of six "honor killings" in the United States in the past two years, prompting concerns that the Muslim community and police need to do more to stop such crimes. "There is broad support and accept...

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<r>THE AHA FOUNDATION AYAAN HIRSI ALI â€˜In response to ongoing abuses of women's rights in the name of fundamentalist Islam, Ayaan Hirsi Ali and her supporters established the AHA Foundation in 2007 to help protect and defend the rights of women in the West a...

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<t>gmc;1338409 wrote: What are you blethering about glaswegian? I was talking about liberal values. We accept the principle accept the rights and lives of others as being of equal value whether we approve of them or not. That you should respect someone's culture and beliefs is a given, that you allo...

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Saint_;1338383 wrote: Any time mohammed wanted to rob, steal, or plunder, he got one of his "visions" it seems...
Likewise when he wanted to 'grease his pole', Saint.

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<r>gmc;1335657 wrote: To apply 21st century mores to the founder of islam and accuse him of being a paedophile is absurd. What is even more absurd is that we find ourselves even debating whether the attitudes of a stone age religion have any relevance in the 21st century. Our society moves on and pe...

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<t>recovering conservative wrote: She [Ayaan Hirsi Ali] is not worth my trouble, because she is a lying hypocrite to begin with. In brief, she received refugee status in the Netherlands under false pretences, including using a fake name and lied about the state of her marriage. Yes. Ayaan Hirsi...

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<r>littleCJelkton;1337909 wrote: I used this on another religious thread but it stands to this one too especially the last comandment; and thou shall try real hard not to kill any one unless they pray to a different invisible man than the one you pray to. <YOUTUBE id="YzEs2nj7iZM"><URL u...

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<t>recovering conservative;1336655 wrote: So, it doesn't matter what your beliefs are as much as who you are taking sides with in the culture wars. Ayan Hirsi Ali has advocated Muslims converting to Christianity, because she argues that most Muslims will not be receptive to humanism, and Christianit...

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<t>Glaswegian wrote: I said that I hoped your bleating about this thread isnâ€™t born of moral cowardice. So tell me: is it? I mean, you arenâ€™t worried about it incurring anyoneâ€™s wrath. Right? You have said that the title of this thread is offensive. This means that you must have som...

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<t>gmc;1335911 wrote: By our lights the founder of islam was a paedophile, for his time his behaviour was not out of order. You say that the founder of Islam’s behaviour was not out of order for his time. This means that for you when a man in his fifties has sex with a nine year old child there...

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<t>gmc;1335657 wrote: To apply 21st century mores to the founder of islam and accuse him of being a paedophile is absurd. Let me ask you something, gmc: When you look at the behaviour of some of the Roman Emperors, say Caligula or Nero, I’m sure you must find it disturbing and, at ti...

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<t>Bryn Mawr wrote: By considering the actions of a person within the framework of the time and place in which he lived it is possible to make a judgement about the morality of those actions. By considering those actions purely in terms of current morality it is not possible to do so. Let’s app...

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<t>Bryn Mawr wrote: I pretend nothing of the sort. Certainly a thread wanders â€“ you start a thread and begin by discussing the subject in the thread title and that discussion throws up side issues that also get discussed. And this is precisely what I have been doing, Bryn - discussing the sub...

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<t>Glaswegian;1333132 wrote: PAEDOPHILIA IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH The American writer Sam Harris has described the Catholic Church as an â€˜institution which has produced and sheltered an elite army of child molestersâ€™. The scale of the sexual abuse of children carried out by the â€˜holy ...

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THE DAY THE POPE VISITED GLASGOW

Glaswegian Undercover

Keeping an eye on the pope in Glasgow’s Bellahouston Park

(Photo courtesy of Men Of Reason Monthly)

~o0o~

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THE DAY THE POPE VISITED GLASGOW

THE CATHOLIC HERD

Catholics kneel in prayer in Glasgowâ€™s Bellahouston Park

(Photo courtesy of Vatican Archive)

~o0o~

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<t>gmc wrote: So Glaswegian, when the pope visits [Glasgow] will you be out on the streets protesting? Glaswegian;1325624 wrote: No. But I will be monitoring the Religious Romp closely - undercover. THE DAY THE POPE VISITED GLASGOW Glaswegian Undercover<b...

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<t>fuzzywuzzy;1332151 wrote: This thread interests me not because of the content but the rush to hush it over. Glaswegian wrote: Paedophilia thrives on silence, fuzzy. For example, paedophile priests flourish within the Catholic Church because so many within this institution - from ...

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<t>Glaswegian;1333111 wrote: For all we know, Jesus may have been a Mongolian hunchback with bulging eyes. Or was that his mother? THE VIRGIN MARY - WITH CHILD? Maryâ€™s pregnancy was highly unusual according to Christians ~o0o~</t>

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<t>gmc;1332899 wrote: Roman Christendom: Saint Maurice: martyr, black saint, Knight Commander of the Theban Legion and Patron Saint of the Holy Roman Empire He was a black african as were those who were martyred with him. in the middle ages he became white. I take it you mean that Sa...

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<t>K.Snyder;1332955 wrote: The more we group people the more blood that will be spilled, nothing is more true than that statement based off of past occurrences. This is precisely what makes authoritarian religions like Islam and Christianity so dangerous and destructive for our species, K. Thes...

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<t>K.Snyder;1333006 wrote: What's the difference between "wrath" and "cowardice" exactly? wrath (noun) 1. great anger: strong anger, often with a desire for revenge 2. divine retribution: in some beliefs, Godâ€™s punishment for sin 3. vengeance: the vengeance, p...

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<t>gmc;1332899 wrote: As we all know you can find anything in the bible if you look hard enough. The Bible, like the Koran, is a goldmine for those who seek moral justification for perpetrating acts of horror and depravity. Its pages are replete with God-sanctioned evils. Take this ...

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<t>Bryn Mawr;1332956 wrote: Indeed you do, and the title you choose for the thread indicates the subject you wish to discuss within the thread. The title certainly does indicate this. But why are you pretending there is nothing more to it than that? You know very well that a discussion often br...

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gmc;1332907 wrote: I was making a serious point glaswegian...
I know you were.

Have you been playing your John Calvin records again?

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<t>gmc;1332899 wrote: Roman Christendom: Saint Maurice: martyr, black saint, Knight Commander of the Theban Legion and Patron Saint of the Holy Roman Empire He was a black african as were those who were martyred with him. in the middle ages he became white. Did Saint Maurice have a p...

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<t>Clodhopper;1332562 wrote: Not entirely true. Much of the improvement in the lot of the working man began with devoutly religious people who translated their beliefs into action. I'm talking about places like Saltaire, or the impetus behind Wilberforce and the abolition of slavery. The impetus beh...

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<t>BEAUTIFUL MACHINES 'MARIA': ROBOT Brigitte Helm as â€˜Mariaâ€™ in Metropolis (1927) ~o0o~ 'RACHAEL': REPLICANT Sean Young as â€˜Rachaelâ€™ in Blade Runner (19...

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<t>GERMAN MASTERPIECE METROPOLIS (1927) Directed by Fritz Lang 'Metropolis is a 1927 German expressionist film in the science-fiction genre directed by Fritz Lang. Produced in Germany during a stable period of the Weimar Republic, Metropolis is set in a futuristic ur...

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Bruv;1332820 wrote: Your obsession is unhealthy Mr Glaswegian.
My obsession with what, Bruv?

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<t>THE VILE AND MURDEROUS TEACHINGS OF THE KORAN Those who think that Islam is a religion of peace are foolish in the extreme or else they are deceiving themselves. This religion offers the unbeliever two choices - either convert to Islam or be killed. The Muslim is exhorted by his â€˜hol...

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<t>K.Snyder;1332592 wrote: My point about evolution coincides with the appropriateness of the situation you've presented. It's only moral or immoral based off of the individual definitions of the people living within the society. Those people then make up the numbers to be observed to eventually be,...

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<t>gmc;1332474 wrote: As an attempt to portray islam as somehow more vile than Christianity your argument doesn't really stand up to more than about thirty seconds of concentrated consideration. Where in this thread have I stated that it is my intention to portray Islam as somehow more vile tha...

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<t>gmc;1332154 wrote: Let me put you a question. Had you been alive in 1690, which side would you have fought on in the religious wars of the time..? HER SIDE... 'I shall need you behind me all the way, Glaswegian' ~o0o~ ...

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