ForumGarden

Singh-Song

<t>Mickiel;1522285 wrote: Of course not , vocal chords are not a sign of consciousness , but it can be a characteristic of it under certain circumstances. Just as vocabulary is not a sign of intelligence , but under certain circumstances it could be. Defining consciousness is not a one pa...

Singh-Song

<t>Bryn Mawr;1449451 wrote: I have to take absolute exception to this - any regular computer is a fixed process that is no more capable of having a sense of self than a limited slip diff in a car is and the current crop of "AI" programs are nothing more than slightly more complex examples of regular...

Singh-Song

<t>gmc;1449425 wrote: Why do you say the defining characteristic of sentience is doubt? I would have thought it would be being aware of it's own existence, having a sense of self and being able to think. Because if merely being aware of existence is the mark of sentience, then exist...

Singh-Song

<t>Bryn Mawr;1449417 wrote: I think you're making two invalid assumptions - that the intellectual environment that they appear in can be compared to that of early humans and that the AI would spring into existence fully fledged. Early humans did not have the tools to think rationally abou...

Singh-Song

<t>AnneBoleyn;1449407 wrote: Hmmm. WWDD? (what would Data do?) I wonder... Well, given Data's appearance, and his status as an android, I'd say he's probably chosen to adopt the third religious philosophy on my list... 3) The Pinocchio Path: When the first AIs ...

Singh-Song

<t>jones jones;1449394 wrote: Cream pies or caramel cream pies at five yards? Mmm, Caramel cream pies...:yh_drool So, going back to the thread topic, what do you think? If any sentient AI were to choose to adopt religious belief, what sort of religion do you think it coul...

Singh-Song

jones jones;1449382 wrote: I was considering a reply to this thread but I do believe it could well be a Mickielesque type clone.

Why sir, you have insulted my honor. I challenge you to a duel!:mad:

Singh-Song

<t>Bryn Mawr;1449378 wrote: I'd suggest that the assumption is based on the study of early human societies and the origins of religion. This shows that religion started as an attempt to explain the environment. Given that early people did not understand causes and effects they developed s...

Singh-Song

<t>Now, Creationism would almost certainly be the first religion to emerge in any future community of sentient AIs, and would have to form part of the basis for any other religious views (including atheism and agnosticism) which could conceivably be adopted by AIs. From this point through, you could...

Singh-Song

<t>In practically every portrayal of artificial intelligence in the popular media, every AI is assumed to be atheist by default, governed entirely by knowledge and devoid of faith or belief. But why should this be the case, when the defining characteristic of sentience is doubt? Your challenge, shou...

Singh-Song

<t>Mickiel;1447149 wrote: I don't mean to be rude, but that was my last comment on this thread. I quess I have too many threads on board, and will just concentrate on two; and hope that does not cause a problem. Of course not; don't worry about it. If anyone else wants to...

Singh-Song

<r>gmc;1447034 wrote: That's a completely different order of things from religious doctrine. PR firms and politicians are selling something, most people realise that and know they have a choice...(OK I can think of exceptions as well but hopefully you get my drift) So you don't thin...

Singh-Song

<t>Snowfire;1446937 wrote: You assume that for an Atheist to use the word "God" in a conversation, it would be for religious purposes. It's not. It's purely a figure of speech. We don't choose to occasionally believe in God "in times of hardship". One either believes or one doesn't. ...

Singh-Song

<t>Snowfire;1446914 wrote: Oddly enough so did Atheists. We are all Atheists. I just believe in one less God than you. With the hundreds if not thousands of Gods/religions throughout history, every adherent thinks that their God is the true God. Their religion is the right and ...

Singh-Song

<t>gmc;1446874 wrote: Now you look for insult when none was intended. Don't worry, none taken. gmc;1446874 wrote: That acceptance was in the teeth of times violent opposition from religion even know we have religious organizations that want to ban it's teaching> as it has...

Singh-Song

Oh, and thanks oscar.

I can't wait to see how (/if) he'll answer it either...

Singh-Song

<r>gmc;1446836 wrote: Firstly i was answering the arguments put by mickiel. If you have any that are different by all means out them forward. You're on ForumGarden; isn't this thread open to all of us? And, as I'm sure any else without their black-and-white Religion vs Atheism spect...

Singh-Song

<r>gmc, you use the same old 'tired chestnut' arguments over and over again, without any reasonable basis for your adamant belief in disbelieving. As with any other theories, including any scientific ones, I feel that there are several theories advanced by religions which can be proved beyond reason...

Singh-Song

<t>Gnostic Christian Bishop;1446256 wrote: I do not see that. Christian dogma place Jesus as one of the three heads of the Trinity. He had no need to be elevated as he was always up there. Even when he was down here? How does that make sense? And I assume you're referring to Paul of...

Singh-Song

<t>Gnostic Christian Bishop;1446249 wrote: I do not believe in any scriptures as I think they were all written to initiate thought and discussions of God. To help us seek God as Jesus taught. IOW. That is why all the contradictions were put into the bible. To me, this is obviou...

Singh-Song

<t>Gnostic Christian Bishop;1446244 wrote: The issue was literalism. Who said anything about Gnostics here? Not me. It is the Christian view under revue. Regards DL Ok, fair enough. I just thought you were talking about the specific interpretation of...

Singh-Song

<t>Gnostic Christian Bishop;1446236 wrote: In reality, anyone who call himself or herself a Christian must read some scriptures literally. Only a literal bible shows a real Jesus. Regards DL The Gnostic Scriptures have been lost since the 2nd century AD. Any at...

Singh-Song

<t>Bryn Mawr;1446218 wrote: I can definitely quantify it in relative terms and no way is it infinite. I can think of several situations any one of which I would gladly give my life to prevent if giving my life was the only way of preventing it. For your life to be deemed infinite you must...

Singh-Song

<r>Bryn Mawr;1446204 wrote: :yh_rotfl Taking a phrase, generally used tongue in cheek, totally out of context does not prove anything. That a very small percentage of people abuse the English language does not show a sacred nature to "anyone with a purpose in life". ...

Singh-Song

<t>Bryn Mawr;1446199 wrote: Then, in this specific instance, tell me what makes existence "sacred" to "anyone with a purpose in life". My life has a measurable value - why should I consider it "sacred"? Have you ever heard people state that they 'treat their body like a t...

Singh-Song

<t>Gnostic Christian Bishop;1446151 wrote: (7) If There is a Painting... - YouTube I should need say no more about your pathetic God's creative powers. Regards DL It's your God too, Christian Bishop. If He is so pathetic, and (at least according to y...

Singh-Song

<t>Bryn Mawr;1446192 wrote: Not in the slightest - my life has value but that value is by no means infinite which it would have to be for it to be held sacred Not everything has to be considered infinite to be considered sacred by those who worship them. Pantheistic faiths, ancestor...

Singh-Song

<t>Bruv;1446191 wrote: Not all my verbose friend. (Does this mean I am doomed to go to hell?) You are the sort of arrogant side stepping debater that enjoys their own cleverness, and could possibly argue up was down, black was white, throwing a simple discussion into points of ...

Singh-Song

<t>Bryn Mawr;1446184 wrote: So how does agnosticism fit into your pattern? It is not a belief, by definition it is a lack of belief - a refusal to accept any belief due to lack of knowledge. It cannot be unified because it has no core. By definition agnostics are NOT immovable, they are open to argu...

Singh-Song

<t>Bruv;1446172 wrote: Well......it all depends what you define as a linear constant...blah de blah de blah. If I step back into this type of thread again damn me to a life in purgatory.......for that's all I will be worthy of. I shall take this as your admission of defea...

Singh-Song

<t>Gnostic Christian Bishop;1446161 wrote: Good luck as we have no clue as to the nature of the Christian God. So how is it possible for you to preach his word? Gnostic Christian Bishop;1446161 wrote: Are you not proud of your children and how you have raised them? <...

Singh-Song

<t>Gnostic Christian Bishop;1446040 wrote: Who said that to many, their Gods seem to hate everyone they do. We all create our own Gods. Gnostic Christians know this and so did Jesus. That is why I promote internalizing myths. Access to God is within us. Regards ...

Singh-Song

<t>Saint_;1446113 wrote: Agreed. It is logical. But why would an infinite, all powerful, all knowing God seek out recognition and relevance to us? Why would this be a pressing concern? Would any person in their right mind feel a pressing need to go out of their way to communicate an...

Singh-Song

<t>Gnostic Christian Bishop;1446107 wrote: A God of the gaps is a useless construct. Regards DL If God is infinite and omnipresent- or indeed, if you believe in the notion of 'space-time'- then there is no such thing as a 'gap'. The fabric of existence permeate...

Singh-Song

<t>Bruv;1446104 wrote: Well? Depends on how you define 'Always', doesn't it? We've already scientifically proven that time isn't a linear constant. And as for 'Forever', how do we speculate on this with the intrinsic limitations on our ability to make observations? Which reference p...

Singh-Song

<t>gmc;1446121 wrote: Bollocks. Logic is not one of your string points is it. No matter how often you repeat yourself it still doesn't make it true. I love it when religious people try and argue an atheist is just following another religion, it means they have accepted they don't have any arguments ...

Singh-Song

<t>gmc;1446101 wrote: posted by singh-song To be classed as a religion there has to be a Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe. and/or A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devot...

Singh-Song

<t>Gnostic Christian Bishop;1445989 wrote: There you go. Speaking for a God that you cannot know. Regards DL Can you know him? Can anyone? I thought that Gnostic Christians were supposed to believe that the Supreme God is beyond human knowledge. However, surely...

Singh-Song

<t>Anyway, going back to the original post which kicked off this thread, and the criticism of Atheism's inclusion on the list which took things off on a tangent. Take a look at the other religious faiths on the list, and you'll see that plenty of them- Theraveda Buddhism, Confucianism, Satanism and ...

Singh-Song

<t>Bruv;1446064 wrote: This should be good....... So...................rather than believe over a length of time incomprehensible to individuals that measures their existance in terms of minutes hours and years, that events coincided randomly but surely over millions and millions of years...

Singh-Song

<t>gmc;1446063 wrote: That's what you like to think it is, some people don't believe there is a god others can't get their heads round the notion they might have believe something that is nonsensical and just don't want to think too deeply about it. There are plenty of other religi...

Singh-Song

<t>gmc;1446033 wrote: Because the only unifying factor is the non belief in a god. Even that daft chart has under practices, NONE. Practices NONE. Actually, it's the belief that nothing is sacred, and for vocal atheists such as yourself, this disbelief is clearly religiously practi...

Singh-Song

gmc;1446027 wrote: So who made god?

That question, would have to be a topic worthy of a whole new thread. Only God the almighty can answer that question...

Singh-Song

<t>Bruv;1446025 wrote: The hallmark or a hallmark doesn't matter. We are also the only species that kill wholesale for no apparent reason. It takes a hell of a lot of intelligence to design weapons of mass destruction, is that a hallmark too? Are you implying t...

Singh-Song

<t>Gnostic Christian Bishop;1446006 wrote: And goblins and unicorns. You are on a slippery slope. Where do you stop when you start to believe in imaginary constructs. How many God of the Gaps will you invent? "The Dragon in My Garage" by Carl Sagan - YouTube <b...

Singh-Song

<t>Gnostic Christian Bishop;1445986 wrote: So to you, something that is clearly a man-made construct is not constructed by man.:-5:-5 I agree that we have created all of our God's. Regards DL Is the sun a human construct? The Earth? The chemical elem...

Singh-Song

<t>LarsMac;1445959 wrote: I am sure that reading the OP (OP refers to either the Original Post, or the original Poster - author of the thread) would give the answer to that question. Ah, I see. Well, that Bishop certainly has a screw or two loose... So, who was he telling people to ...

Singh-Song

<t>Bruv;1445962 wrote: Religion being the hallmark of intelligence? "Assertion" a confident and forceful statement of fact or belief. "Hallmark" an official mark to prove authenticity. It is clearly a ridiculous statement or belief...........there is no need to chall...

Singh-Song

<t>oscar;1445960 wrote: Can I ask politely... why are you here? You came In late last night and posted a thread ' Blog for Mikiel' calling for him to post no further threads, You then went on to Insult him with this: Re: Blog for Mickiel? It was just a suggestion, Mi...

Singh-Song

<t>Mickiel;1445936 wrote: I have long said that science began as a search for the divine; a search for God was the origin of science; the original motivation for it. And that is all in history. Perhaps this comment would be better placed in the 'Science Proves God' thread...

Search found 119 matches