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jones jones;1377235 wrote: For those of us who accept neither the "creation myth" nor Darwin's Theory Of Evolution, what remains?

The Christian doesn't care what you believe about how we got here. The scientist doesn't, either, unless you want a job in science.

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<t>littleCJelkton;1375810 wrote: As of yet the NT is a mythical book made up in very similar fashion to those of other religions(Budhism, Islam, Judaism) all of which hold similar stories from the older religions they evolved from (Norse, Egyptian, Babylonian, Greek, Hindu). The bias here is a ...

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<t>Adstar;1375240 wrote: a roman created catholic authority that saw to it that all the pantheon of gods where destroyed. The authority to do that was actually a civil one, and achieved catholicity only because it was of a military character. So it was as far as it is possible to get from an e...

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<t>Adstar;1375029 wrote: Well if you are engaged in a process of persecution of a group ie Christianity you cannot at the same time remove evidence that it exists. You’re persecuting it. You cannot deny something your persecuting exists as you are persecuting it. So they would have acknowledged it's...

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<t>gmc;1363978 wrote: You really don't get the use of irony do you. Oh, how funny. Of course. You didn't mean it. I'm not going to explain it to you I know. You can't do miracles. A theist oppressor, banged to rights; and you can't escape. th...

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gmc;1363940 wrote: I live in a free country because my ancestors were successful in suppressing the power of church.

But here you are, talking about the right denomination and 'Christmas'. Seems like there's a way to go yet.

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OpenMind;1363781 wrote: Who started the big church building idea? Was it the Normans?
The Romans.

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<t>Mark Aspam;1363711 wrote: Like everything else in the Bible, Revelation was written for the author's own time. Like prophecies, you mean. Aspam scores again. Everything in Revelation refers to the suffering of the Church under pagan Rome. It says nothi...

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ephraim;1363553 wrote: The Beast Revelation

This letter is dedicated to all Christians.

If you can find one. Who probably won't read much farther than this.

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gmc;1363554 wrote: I have your christmas present already picked out.

So eager, so desperate, are you to suppress Christianity.

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gmc;1363464 wrote: That would be an act of god but then if they were the wrong denomination it serves them right.
There is a right denomination?

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LarsMac;1362530 wrote: This is human nature, and not limited to religion, but yes, far too often we see this in a religious setting.
Indeed we do.

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<t>gmc;1362520 wrote: freedom of speech owes nothing to christianity That's a pov that varies with time and space. In the Roman Empire, 2000 years ago, there was not a lot of freedom of speech. Those who blurted out too much found themselves hanging on a cross for three days or so before leavin...

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<t>LarsMac;1362326 wrote: some Christians reject some science Some Christophobes pretend that Christians reject science because they have no better means of opposing Christianity. Those who claim to be Christians but claim to reject science are shills giving fellow Christophobes something to ai...

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Skimwords is to be prosecuted.

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<t>gmc;1360905 wrote: Matthew 19:11-12 Matt 19:3-12: 'Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?" "Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female',...

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<t>gmc;1360902 wrote: What did jesus ever say on the subject? '"If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town. I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than fo...

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<t>LarsMac;1360898 wrote: Surprisingly enough, a majority of Christians don't actually take, literally, ever word they red in the Bible. They would be very strange people if they did. There is probably no other series of writings so full of figurative language. It's true, though, that the numb...

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YZGI;1360889 wrote: Cope with what?
Deuteronomy 22:11.

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YZGI;1360883 wrote: I believe he is referring too: Dueteronomy 22:11.

Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, [as] of woollen and linen together.
Would it be as easy to cope with if written in modern English?

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<t>Richard Bell;1360854 wrote: Perhaps it's because many Christians claim it is the literal word of God, even the bits about smiting, enslaving, raping, and the infamous mixed fibres nonsense. Have the plenteous corrections of these falsehoods not yet reached the frozen north? It surely cannot ...

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tbone;1360015 wrote: So if, in your opinion, the creation story is merely an representation all of mankind and womankind where does it end?
Merely? In what way is there is a diminution?

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<t>tbone;1360012 wrote: I'd like to digress a bit and bring up an interesting point about the Adam and Eve story: why is it that all of us should be subject to the punishment of sin if it was Adam and Eve's fault to begin with? Why do we not have the option to prove ourselves in a Garden of sorts as...

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gmc;1359932 wrote: You are one of those who seem fearful of opinions that differ from your own and prefer to rant rather than discuss.
If so, I'm one of millions who infect the internet with dubious motives.

But maybe I'm just one who's both knowledgeable and honest.

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<t>gmc;1359850 wrote: I can understand the need for ritual and some communal way to deal with death etc but I know so many people that begin to get angry if they think you don't share or are in any way disparaging of their faith. You don't have to say anything they just need to think you are. I...

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<t>gmc;1359728 wrote: Why is it otherwise rational people can be religious? Fear. Plain fear. That carpenter really gives some people that. It makes them lie, cheat, twist, go into all sort of mental contortions in order to evade his demands. So they lie foolishly when they say that a person ca...

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<t>gmc;1359697 wrote: Stephen Hawking: 'There is no heaven; it's a fairy story' | Science | The Guardian Couldn't resist asking.:sneaky: Why is it that sane people are driven to calculate that three = one? How is it that even skeptics mention 'the trinity' as an item of genuine belie...

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<t>gmc;1359654 wrote: which bible you favour would be interesting since the contents are so radically different from all the other ones 'pick whichever version you like. The basic story remains the same no matter which version' - gmc Which is gmc's best guess? ...

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<t>Loyal;1359632 wrote: I don't know why this popped up on my email, I have signed off this conversation. I don't mind to converse on religion, however, sometimes I like to be the one THAT KNOWS IT ALL. (not really) I think you all have worn the (if Jesus died for our sins) topic out. I agree, ...

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gmc;1359628 wrote: You know if you can't be bothered being civil why do you bother posting?
So are you admitting that you did not forget? That you lied? Surely not.

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<t>gmc;1359618 wrote: The wordng differs but the instructions are the same. I could have posted the relevant parts from the various versions Just one other version would have made a departure from 'atheist' rigidity. Freethinkers, I don't think so. Extermination of the occupants of ...

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<t>gmc;1359598 wrote: :rolleyes: Is that right? I think you meant to click :yh_blush . That's why I suggested you pick whichever version you like. Is that right? Why do those who apparently hate Christianity apparently love the KJV? So it wasn'...

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<t>gmc;1359596 wrote: In the early bronze age horses were not yet big enough to be used as cavalry which is why the egyptians used chariots. Which is what the deity of the Israelites would have ensured that his people possessed, had warfare been a priority. Have you actually read t...

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<t>gmc;1359592 wrote: It's perhaps the notion of a "chosen" people that is one of the most destuctive aspects of the bible. Why did god give things like potatoes, tomatoes, corn not to his chosen people but to south american indians? Maybe if he had given them horses as well world history might have...

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<t>Loyal;1359563 wrote: If I cannot help you then certainly I am not going to hinder you regarding what you want to believe. But literalists are hindered. They cannot help without compromising their own principle. The second chapter of Genesis is as clear that Adam was created before plants an...

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<t>Loyal;1359535 wrote: ISTHIS WHAT YOU "THINK?" I do not want to hear what you think. Show me the scriptures, then we'll discuss it. As for figuratively---There was a real flesh and blood person or persons---Adam and Eve---God was a spirit, which you cannot see. As to how He spoke to them, the scri...

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<t>Loyal;1359503 wrote: maybe, at that point in time they did not know death, but they knew God and they knew what He told them about eating the fruit. If they never had eaten, then they would have never known death. THEY DID EAT OF THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT.{Genesis 2:16} God speaking to them said "you w...

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gmc;1359477 wrote: Original sin was a later interpretation.

An interpretation too late. A deliberate misinterpretation of Paul's allegorical interpretation, by those with a record of infamous criminality that has given many the excuse not to believe.

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<t>Loyal;1359389 wrote: Adam and Eve were given the choice: you can eat of the forbidden fruit and die or you can listen to my voice and live. So am I, so are you, given the choice; or rather, so was I, so were you. But we sinned, and 'fell', and were ejected from Eden, from the presence of God...

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<t>Loyal;1359346 wrote: Yes, Mary was not sinless, she was a sinner. The fetus inside her womb, which was put there through Holy Spirit was sinless. Like every other? Is it not absurd to say that infants are born with a bad conscience? Is original sin not the hypothesis of those who do not know...

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<t>Loyal;1359304 wrote: Matthew 1:18 Jesus was born through Holy Spirit. He was not conceived through a decendent of Adam and Eve, therefore, he did not have inherited sin. He was sinless, becausew holy spirit is sinless. Do you recall THE VIRGIN MARY well she was a virgin. She never had intercourse...

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gmc;1359286 wrote: torturing himself.
A very common habit.

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Loyal;1359264 wrote: Just because Jesus died for our sins, doesn't mean that "O. K. now" everything is going to be rosy. He died for inherited sin from Adam.

But then Jesus would have inherited sin, too.

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<r>gmc;1359099 wrote: Leaving aside the vexed question as to whether catholics are actually christians or if heretics can get to heaven I think you gmc finds it quite impossible to write without personal reference. However, we can surely indulge his foible in the interest of developing the thre...

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<t>gmc;1359079 wrote: I raise the question because so many seeking answers to such questions have not actually asked themselves the obvious one first. Like, do they actually believe in original sin? That's a question for Catholics, but not Christians. Catholic dogma is in every case politicall...

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Loyal;1357626 wrote: I'm thinking you are saying when people do evil they get what they deserve. Do you know that good and bad go to hell?
If people get a thousand years of hell for each singular personal pronoun, what's the tally so far?

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<t>Loyal;1357598 wrote: Regarding reference to hell and the reality of it: As surely as there is a heaven, there is a hell.The word "hell" is found in many Bible translations. In the same verses other translaations read "the grave" "the world of the dead," and so forth. Other Bibles simply translite...

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<t>gmc;1357444 wrote: The puritans could give the catholics lessons in religious hatred and bigotry - Cromwell and his ilk weren't exactly a cuddly type of christian were they? They were no more Christians than they were bluebottles. But you are right about hatred. Good ...

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<t>Mark Aspam;1357428 wrote: I will just add a couple of parting observations, which will probably be my last contribution to this thread. So the high and mighty Apostolic, Holy Catholic Church is calling it a day? Oh, well. That's what people down to their last lies say. Surely the ...

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<t>Mark Aspam;1357425 wrote: 2. That is correct. I have several Catholic Bibles with footnotes, notably the Confraternity New Testament and the New American, the footnotes are the work of the annotaters, they are hardly identical, though they certainly represent Catholic teaching, obviou...

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