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    The moral issue is clouded by what in England we call "positions of trust", which includes teacher-student contact. I expect it could also include adult intergenerational incest. Saying no to mom doesn't get any easier as you get older.
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    Interesting how far the thing has spread from the original question of whether a woman should have the right to decide whether to carry a pregnancy to term even, and especially when it was the result of actions committed against her will.
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    Interesting how far the thing has spread from the original question of whether a woman should have the right to decide whether to carry a pregnancy to term even, and especially when it was the result of actions committed against her will.
    To me, there has got to be a point of when we are talking about person entitled to all the protections that the rest of us have.

    The only problem is once such a limit is established when violated who goes to prison?

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    To me, there has got to be a point of when we are talking about person entitled to all the protections that the rest of us have.

    The only problem is once such a limit is established when violated who goes to prison?
    By "when" I suppose you mean establishing a limit after which there is a person, and before which there is a cluster of dividing cells or a growing embryo with the potential to become a person.

    In deciding who goes to prison if that established limit is exceeded, both American and British law have much the same answer. The abortionists go to prison and the person procuring the abortion goes to prison. That's the current state of the law. I think you'd find everyone on this site would agree that the principle of the established limit is a fair law.

    I which case do we have any difference in our position? Is there something you're saying that anyone here might disagree with?
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    To me, there has got to be a point of when we are talking about person entitled to all the protections that the rest of us have.

    The only problem is once such a limit is established when violated who goes to prison?
    It seems to me that limit was long ago established, but now people are wanting to change the established law, and go back to when there was only back alleys and coat hangers.
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    It seems to me that limit was long ago established, but now people are wanting to change the established law, and go back to when there was only back alleys and coat hangers.
    I understand Roe v Wade to be a privacy case that did not address the question of when life begins. This has been what the right-wing has latched on to in their endeavor to establish conception as life. In the minds of most religious conservatives, a female gives up her right to privacy, in the legal sense, when a male plants his seed in her, thus claiming her (In the unofficial sense, a female surrenders her right to privacy when she becomes attractive and child-bearing able - thus rape). Women are, after all, merely an extension of men, Eve having been created, not out of the dirt as Adam supposedly was, but Adam's rib.
    "We need not resolve the difficult question of when life begins. When those trained in the respective disciplines of medicine, philosophy, and theology are unable to arrive at any consensus, the judiciary, in this point in the development of man's knowledge, is not in a position to speculate as to the answer." — Roe, 410 U.S. at 159.[53]
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    In deciding who goes to prison if that established limit is exceeded, both American and British law have much the same answer. The abortionists go to prison and the person procuring the abortion goes to prison. That's the current state of the law. I think you'd find everyone on this site would agree that the principle of the established limit is a fair law.
    When was it that any male was ever sent to prison for "procuring" an abortion?
    pro·cure /prəˈkyo͝or/ verb 1. obtain (something), especially with care or effort. "food procured for the rebels" synonyms: obtain, acquire, get, find, come by, secure, pick up, get possession of; synonyms: be a pimp, be pimping; More informalponce; informalhustle "the police found that he was procuring" 2. Law persuade or cause (someone) to do something. "he procured his wife to sign the agreement"
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    Re: The Presidential Election of 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by tude dog View Post
    To me, there has got to be a point of when we are talking about person entitled to all the protections that the rest of us have.

    The only problem is once such a limit is established when violated who goes to prison?
    From what authority would you accept an "established" precedent?
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    Re: The Presidential Election of 2020

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    Is Joe Biden seriously pulling ahead to become the Democrat candidate?

    He ran for President thirty years ago in 1988, he ran again in 2008, and now he's proposing to start a first term as President at the age of 78?

    If someone took over at the Kremlin aged 78, Americans would howl derisively and talk about comatose geriatrics like Andropov and Chernenko who were both dead long before they reached that age. Hu Yaobang was viewed as old when he became General Secretary in China at the age of 67, so was Zhao Ziyang at 68, Jiang Zemin at 67, Hu Jintao was 60 and... Joe Biden will be 78?

    I'm speechless. The fact that he has so many millstones round his neck on top of that just leaves me baffled. Why on earth is he muddying the waters? What does he hope to get out of it? How does he think the country is going to benefit when the election finally happens?
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