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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahso! View Post
    I'd like to know how you're defining "con-man". Not that I necessarily disagree. Like all consumer goods, marketing is the name of the game in retail politics.
    Sometimes, keeping it simple is the best plan:
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    a man who cheats or tricks someone by gaining their trust and persuading them to believe something that is not true.

    That has been the name of the game in Politics since at least the beginning of the 19th Century, I think.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahso! View Post

    I think there are a few things the tRump presidency has illuminated, which he stumbled upon quite accidentally (not that he doesn't belong behind bars). One is that some (not tRump, mind you) probably do go into the office with intentions of what they ran on, but what appears to happen is that the first intelligence briefing goes something like this;
    "Congratulations on a well-deserved win, Sir/Madam, and thank you for affording us your undivided attention.

    As you know, we have the pulse of all the underlying energy within the country as well as the entire world - that's our job - to know things.

    That said, we need to inform you of some information we are privy to regarding your (insert relative here along with indiscretion) that we've been keeping under wraps and feel we can continue to control with some hard work and dedication.

    Sir/Madam, it is so vital to your presidency and the nation that we form an alliance and dedication to work together for the good of national security purposes.

    The daily briefings we will be providing you are of the utmost importance."
    And down the toilet goes a whole bunch of good intentions.

    My guess is that this is, affording him the benefit of the doubt, what happened to Obama, and why he seemed to become a coward almost overnight. He tried to do some good towards the end of his term, but too little, too late.

    tRump, on the other hand, had too many friends in the media and other places that owed him favors. He apparently told Comey, Brenner and the rest (albeit four months after his first briefing because it took him that long to figure it out_ to go screw themselves. Intelligence had already been spying on tRump's campaign (as I'm sure it does to all campaigns) (they must have had a library on the Clintons by then).
    That makes a great 'story' for some sort of Whole World Domination Plot movie, but I don't think it really plays well on the stage.

    All Prez candidates make big promises about what they will do, that might get them in the door, and yes, reality sets in about ten minutes into that first meeting, but the gnomes in the intel closet probably aren't really running the show.

    tRump and his buffoon army don't really care if they offend people. It's probably that simple.
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    Re: The Impeachment Show

    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    Sometimes, keeping it simple is the best plan:
    con man
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    a man who cheats or tricks someone by gaining their trust and persuading them to believe something that is not true.

    That has been the name of the game in Politics since at least the beginning of the 19th Century, I think.



    That makes a great 'story' for some sort of Whole World Domination Plot movie, but I don't think it really plays well on the stage.

    All Prez candidates make big promises about what they will do, that might get them in the door, and yes, reality sets in about ten minutes into that first meeting, but the gnomes in the intel closet probably aren't really running the show.

    tRump and his buffoon army don't really care if they offend people. It's probably that simple.
    I'd like to learn of you're reasoning why each successive president has, in the course of breaking each of their promises, continued in the course of each of their predecessors? If it isn't being directed somehow, how could that be possible?
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    Re: The Impeachment Show

    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    a man who cheats or tricks someone by gaining their trust and persuading them to believe something that is not true.

    That has been the name of the game in Politics since at least the beginning of the 19th Century, I think.
    As an alternative comparison I quite like https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...tury-problems/

    You might enjoy reading it.
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    This is why the impeachment has as much chance of succeeding as any of you have for breaking Bolt's 100 metre world record .

    The DNC are finished forever and don't yet know it . You lot obviously have no inkling

    If Horowitz reports on Monday --- my latest top intel --- , you can kiss goodbye to the Communist Left Wing traitors .

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    SEE ABOVE

    The Washington Post provided a timeline of the 2015/206 intervention by then-Vice President Joe Biden against the then-General Prosecutor of Ukraine, Viktor Shokin. Shokin was investigating Mykola Zlochevsky, the owner of the gas company Burisma Holdings which paid Joe Biden's son Hunter Biden at least $50,000 per month for being on its board.

    We used that timeline to show that Biden's intervention reached its height shortly after the prosecutor confiscated Zlochevsky houses.

    A new report by John Solomon, based on released State Department emails, supports the suspicion that Joe Biden and others intervened against Shokin on behalf of Burisma and on request of his son:

    Hunter Biden and his Ukrainian gas firm colleagues had multiple contacts with the Obama State Department during the 2016 election cycle, including one just a month before Vice President Joe Biden forced Ukraine to fire the prosecutor investigating his son’s company for corruption, newly released memos show.
    During that February 2016 contact, a U.S. representative for Burisma Holdings sought a meeting with Undersecretary of State Catherine A. Novelli to discuss ending the corruption allegations against the Ukrainian firm where Hunter Biden worked as a board member, according to memos obtained under a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit.

    Just three weeks before Burisma’s overture to State, Ukrainian authorities raided the home of the oligarch who owned the gas firm and employed Hunter Biden, a signal the long-running corruption probe was escalating in the middle of the U.S. presidential election.

    Solomon points to the same Interfax-Ukraine report about the prosecutor's action against Burisma owner Zlochevsky that we have used to make our case against Biden. Other media have so far ignored that report and several have falsely claimed that the case against Burisma was "dormant" when Biden intervened to get the Prosecutor General fired.

    Below is an integrated timeline which combines the one WaPo provided with the new dates from Solomon's reporting and from additional sources. It is intended as a working reference that can be updated when new details come to light.



    Jul 2010-Apr 2012 Mykola Zlochevsky heads the Ministry of Ecology and Natural Resources in Ukraine. Several oil and gas companies owned by Zlochevsky receive lucrative special drilling permits.
    Feb 23 2014 The U.S. supported Maidan 'regime change' coup overthrows the elected government of Ukraine.
    Mar 2014 The EU blocks funds of several Ukrainian oligarchs including Zlochevsky's. RFERL
    Mar 11 2014 Britain blocks the transfer of $23 million owned by Mykola Zlochevsky companies and opens an investigation against him. Guardian
    Spring 2014 Burisma hires Devon Archer and Hunter Biden as members of its board. Archer and Biden together own a firm called Rosemont Seneca Partners. Guardian
    May 2014 Rosemont Seneca Partners starts to receive monthly checks of $166,000 from Burisma. JS
    Nov 24 2014 U.S. government organ RFERL publishes a video report showing one of Zlochevsky's palaces near Kiev. It notes the Hunter Biden connection. RFERL
    Dec 2 2014 Unknown Ukrainian prosecutor writes letter saying that Zlochevsky is not under suspicion. Guardian
    Late 2014 Zlochevsky is put on Ukraine's most-wanted list for alleged economic crimes. RFERL
    Late 2014 Zlochevsky leaves the Ukraine. Interfax
    Jan 21 2015 Referring to the letter by the unknown Ukrainian prosecutor a British court orders the closure of the British case against Zlochevsky and to release the $23m. Guardian
    Feb 10 2015 Victor Shokin nominated as Prosecutor General of Ukraine Interfax
    Mar 2015 EU lifts blocking of funds of several Ukrainian oligarchs including Zlochevsky RFERL
    May 27 2015 Hunter Biden meets then-Deputy Secretary of State Tony Blinken, a former national security adviser to Joe Biden who was promoted to the No. 2 job at State under then-Secretary John Kerry. JS
    July 22 2015 Hunter Biden again meets with the State Department No. 2 Tony Blinken. JS
    July 31 2015 Ukraine's prosecutor general issues an arrest warrant against Zlochevsky. RFERL
    Sep 2015 Referring to the closed British case then-U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt gives a speech urging Ukrainian prosecutors to do more against corruption. Guardian
    Oct 8 2015 Then-Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland testifies in Congress: “The Prosecutor General’s Office has to be reinvented as an institution that serves the citizens of Ukraine, rather than ripping them off.” WaPo
    Oct 17 2015 Shokin announces a joint investigation with Britain of the Zlochevsky case. Interfax
    Dec 7 2015 Joe Biden holds a press conference in Kiev and announces $190 million to “fight corruption in law enforcement and reform the justice sector.” WaPo
    Dec 7/8 2015 According to his then-National Security Advisor Colin Kahl VP Biden withholds the announcement of a $1 billion loan guarantee Ukraine was supposed to receive. WaPo
    Dec 8 2015 Joe Biden speaks in the Ukrainian parliament and decried the “cancer of corruption” in the country. “The Office of the General Prosecutor desperately needs reform,” he noted. WaPo
    End of 2015 Shokin hands one case on Zlochevsky to the U.S. supported National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) Interfax
    Jan 20 2016 Biden meets Poroshenko in Davos, Switzerland, when he also presses “the need to continue to move forward on Ukraine’s anti-corruption agenda,” according to a White House statement. Kahl said Biden at that meeting reinforced the linkage between the loan guarantee and the necessary reforms. WaPo
    Feb 2 2016 Shokin confiscates several large properties and a Rolls-Royce Phantom owned by Zlochevsky. Interfax
    Feb 4 2016 First public announcement of the confiscation of Zlochevsky's properties. Interfax
    Feb 4 2016 Hunter Biden starts following Deputy Secretary of State Tony Blinken on Twitter. JS
    Feb 12 2016 Biden speaks to Poroshenko by phone. “The two leaders agreed on the importance of unity among Ukrainian political forces to quickly pass reforms in line with the commitments in its IMF program, including measures focused on rooting out corruption,” the White House said. WaPo
    Feb 16 2016 Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko says that he had advised Shokin to step down. Interfax
    Feb 16 2016 Poroshenko announced he had asked Shokin to resign. WaPo
    Feb 17 2016 Shokin goes on paid leave. Interfax
    Feb 18 2016 Another call takes place between Biden and Poroshenko. WaPo
    Feb 19 2016 The presidential press secretary Sviatoslav Tseholko says that Shokin's letter of resignation had arrived at the presidential administration. On the same day, Poroshenko tables a motion in parliament to dismiss Shokin. Interfax
    Feb 19 2016 Poroshenko announces he has received Shokin’s resignation letter. It still required parliamentary approval, and Shokin did not go away quietly. WaPo
    Feb 19 2016 Biden speaks separately with Poroshenko and Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk. WaPo
    Feb 22/23 2016 Karen Tramontano of Blue Star Strategies, a U.S. representative for Burisma Holdings, seeks a meeting with then-Undersecretary of State Catherine A. Novelli who oversees international energy issues to discuss ending the corruption allegations against Burisma. JS
    Feb 24 2016 A State Department email exchange under the subject line "Burisma" notes that Karen Tramontano especially mentioned Hunter Biden while she tried to get the meeting. JS
    Mar 1 2016 Tramontano is scheduled to meet Novelli and that State Department officials are scrambling to get answers ahead of time from the U.S. embassy in Kiev. JS
    Mar 2 2016 Hunter Biden’s fellow board member at Burisma, Devon Archer, has a meeting with Secretary of State John Kerry. Secretary Kerry’s stepson, Christopher Heinz, had earlier been a business partner with both Archer and Hunter Biden at the Rosemont Seneca investment firm. JS
    Mar 3 2016 Shokin is back at work. Interfax
    Mar 16 2016 Reports emerged that Shokin was back at work after having been on vacation. WaPo
    Mar 22 2016 Biden and Poroshenko speak again by phone. WaPo
    Mar 29 2016 The Ukrainian parliament, in a 289-to-6 vote, approves Shokin’s dismissal. WaPo
    undated "Mr. Zlochevsky’s allies were relieved by the dismissal of Mr. Shokin, the prosecutor whose ouster Mr. Biden had sought, according to people familiar with the situation." NYT
    Mar 31 2016 Poroshenko meets with Biden during a trip to Washington, and Biden emphasizes that the loan guarantee was contingent on further reform progress beyond Shokin’s removal. WaPo
    Apr 14 2016 Biden and Poroshenko have another call. Biden congratulates the president on his new cabinet and “stressed the urgency of putting in place a new Prosecutor General." WaPo
    May 12 2016 Poroshenko nominated Yuriy Lutsenko as the new prosecutor general. WaPo
    May 13 2016 In a phone call, Biden told Poroshenko he welcomed Lutsenko’s appointment. WaPo
    Undated "Mr. Zlochevsky’s representatives were pleased by the choice, concluding they could work with Mr. Lutsenko to resolve the oligarch’s legal issues, according to the people familiar with the situation." NYT
    Jun 2016 Hunter Biden joins Zlochevsky at a Burisma organized event in Morocco. Guardian
    Aug 22 2016 Joe Biden tells the Atlantic how he blackmailed Poroshenko into firing the "corrupt" Shokin. Atlantic
    Sep 2016 Ukraine cancels arrest warrant against Zlochevsky and closes the case against him. Guardian
    Jan 12 2017 Ukraine's prosecutor closes the case against Burisma after the company agrees to pay UAH 180 millions of tax liabilities. Interfax
    Jan 19 2017 Burisma announces a donation of between $100,000 and 249,999 to the Atlantic Council Guardian
    Aug 2017 U.S. supported National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) closes its case against Zlochevsky Interfax
    Oct 27 2017 Zlochevsky is estimated to have $535 million in assets, more than double than a year earlier. Interfax
    Jan 23 2018 Joe Biden brags publicly how he blackmailed Poroshenko into firing Shokin. CFR
    Feb 1 2018 After more than three years abroad Zlochevsky returns to Ukraine. Interfax
    May 14 2019 Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko says that the Zlochevsky case was reopened "several months ago". Interfax
    Jul 2019 Shokin maintains his suspicions about the vice president's motives, accusing Biden of promoting his dismissal for personal reasons. He insists he had "no doubt" Biden wanted him gone in an effort to protect his son's new employer. ABCNews

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    Re: The Impeachment Show

    Johnathan Turley gave the democrats and the public a bit of a lesson on how to conduct an impeachment yesterday. The Dems should heed his counsel. They are going about this too quickly, but that, I believe, is because they want to tie up Warren and Sanders to prevent them from campaigning once the senate hearings begin. Also, the more they can focus the attention now on impeachment, the less we're going to hear or read of much-needed dialogue on healthcare (Medicare For All), taxes on extreme wealth, endless wars and the fact that Sanders and Warren are doing better than establishment Democrats had hoped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raphael View Post
    This is why the impeachment has as much chance of succeeding as any of you have for breaking Bolt's 100 metre world record .

    The DNC are finished forever and don't yet know it . You lot obviously have no inkling

    If Horowitz reports on Monday --- my latest top intel --- , you can kiss goodbye to the Communist Left Wing traitors .
    Raffy had neither the date or the information right on Horowitz's report, but that was expected because of he took his news cues from a right-wing site. As expected, Horowitz straddled the fence, offering crumbs to both sides.
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    Oddly enough I'm forbidden by British law from watching these live impeachment broadcasts
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    Britain is North Korea? Astonishing. Sorry you're not free...
    It's the inadequacy of half of the US news websites, that they can't be bothered to comply with the European privacy regulations so they just put up a block on all European access with a message that says Sorry Europeans We're Working On It.

    What they really mean is that they won't just let you see their pages without gathering your personal data, that gathering personal data is embedded in their every page, and that the European regulations say they can't gather your personal data without active prior consent, otherwise they can be fined by the European courts. Their decision to block European access to their news site is driven by corporate greed, who would have ever thought any American website could be so shallow.

    The Washington Post, for instance, has actually bothered. It puts up an agreement tick-box labelled " The new European data protection law requires us to inform you of the following before you use our website:

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    Others are merely uninformative, like "Access Denied
    You don't have permission to access "http://www.wfaa.com/article/news/crime/3-men-indicted-capital-murder-charge-death-of-joshua-brown/287-629f495d-8197-4056-935c-80e190ec94c3" on this server.
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    Or "Our European visitors are important to us. This site is currently unavailable to visitors from the European Economic Area while we work to ensure your data is protected in accordance with applicable EU laws."

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