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    Well it's being floated again...the debate on the change of the national anthem

    Every time there's a problem nationally or a disaster or whatever this debate comes up time and time again. I'm asking for your opinions.

    This is the present anthem. In my opinion it's dull. And basically doesn't apply to me because I'm female. Nor does it apply to the indigenous of this country. Just old white rich men.
    Advance Australia fair.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl8eKxI-zeU

    This one incorporates our entire history. It's sung more often than our national anthem and people know the lyrics because it applies to them. And people tend to remember something that relates to them. It's also sung at every stage event in this country because it's seen as a feel good song. It's totally inclusive.

    This version with video gives the history of Australia and it's people and lands
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QEdUwor9pc


    This one more recently during the virus. And what I mean by bringing people together. It seems to be our 'go to' come together song.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY_tl-N93AY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrcUKgP_sks


    I'm just wondering what international folk think about it. I ask this because I caught people from other countries sing it when we've had the commonwealth games and Olympics and they put the words up on the screens. So it must have some kind of magnetism.

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    Re: Well it's being floated again...the debate on the change of the national anthem

    Quote Originally Posted by magentaflame View Post
    Every time there's a problem nationally or a disaster or whatever this debate comes up time and time again. I'm asking for your opinions.

    This is the present anthem. In my opinion it's dull. And basically doesn't apply to me because I'm female. Nor does it apply to the indigenous of this country. Just old white rich men.
    Advance Australia fair.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl8eKxI-zeU
    That seems to be the basic Anthem sorta thing, set to wring out the Loyal citizen to feel called to patriotism, without really offering any meat. Maybe it means something to an Aussie and gives them a handle on "Pride in my Country"
    I dunno. The phrases and all don't really touch the heart unless they mean something to Real Australians. Kinda like out Star Spangled Banner probably doesn't mean a lot to folks from across the Ponds who don't get the meaning drilled into their young hearts early on..

    Quote Originally Posted by magentaflame View Post

    This one incorporates our entire history. It's sung more often than our national anthem and people know the lyrics because it applies to them. And people tend to remember something that relates to them. It's also sung at every stage event in this country because it's seen as a feel good song. It's totally inclusive.

    This version with video gives the history of Australia and it's people and lands
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QEdUwor9pc
    I kinda like that one. Simple an to the point, and I get a feeling for what it means to folks who have been on the Land and are a part of it.
    Quote Originally Posted by magentaflame View Post
    This one more recently during the virus. And what I mean by bringing people together. It seems to be our 'go to' come together song.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY_tl-N93AY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrcUKgP_sks

    I'm just wondering what international folk think about it. I ask this because I caught people from other countries sing it when we've had the commonwealth games and Olympics and they put the words up on the screens. So it must have some kind of magnetism.
    That is all pleasant and touchy-feely, and I am sure that a lot of people can feel really nice when singing it together. Nothing you really have to think about. Kinda like sharing a big bowl full of White Chocolate pieces while watching an old Disney Movie.
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    Re: Well it's being floated again...the debate on the change of the national anthem

    "I am Australian" is a Seekers song. Woodley wrote it. (an Australian) The seekers seemed to do no wrong when it came to writing songs.

    What's funny is, even my kids don't believe me when I tell them I used to have to sing "God save the queen" in primary school. lol

    But get a load of this. The original lyrics published in 1879 were as follows:[14]

    Australia's sons let us rejoice, <-------- only sons?
    For we are young and free;
    We've golden soil and wealth for toil,
    Our home is girt by sea; <----- there's that bloody word Girt
    Our land abounds in Nature's gifts
    Of beauty rich and rare;
    In hist'ry's page, let ev'ry stage
    Advance Australia fair.
    In joyful strains then let us sing, < accurate...it is a strain to sing this song.
    Advance Australia fair.

    When gallant Cook from Albion sailed,
    To trace wide oceans o'er,
    True British courage bore him on,
    Til he landed on our shore.
    Then here he raised Old England's flag,
    The standard of the brave;
    "With all her faults we love her still"
    "Britannia rules the wave."
    In joyful strains then let us sing
    Advance Australia fair.

    While other nations of the globe
    Behold us from afar,
    We'll rise to high renown and shine
    Like our glorious southern star;
    From England soil and Fatherland,
    Scotia and Erin fair,
    Let all combine with heart and hand
    To advance Australia fair.
    In joyful strains then let us sing
    Advance Australia fair.

    Should foreign foe e'er sight our coast,
    Or dare a foot to land,
    We'll rouse to arms like sires of yore,
    To guard our native strand;
    Britannia then shall surely know,
    Though oceans roll between,
    Her sons in fair Australia's land
    Still keep their courage green.
    In joyful strains then let us sing
    Advance Australia fair.

    The 1901 Federation version of the third verse was originally sung as:

    Beneath our radiant Southern Cross,
    We'll toil with hearts and hands;
    To make our youthful Commonwealth,
    Renowned of all the lands;
    For loyal sons beyond the seas
    We've boundless plains to share;
    With courage let us all combine
    To advance Australia fair.
    In joyful strains then let us sing
    Advance Australia fair!Original lyrics of Advance Australia Fair.

    Also to see criticism of the song check out ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance_Australia_Fair

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    Re: Well it's being floated again...the debate on the change of the national anthem

    I think there's only one way forward with this. ForumGarden must hold a contest to write a suitable Australian National Anthem and you will have to persuade Australia to adopt it officially.

    This is an exceptionally fine offer and you ought to wholeheartedly jump at it.
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    Re: Well it's being floated again...the debate on the change of the national anthem

    I sure you could adapt thos one.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxjrFuC5BhU

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    Re: Well it's being floated again...the debate on the change of the national anthem

    Quote Originally Posted by magentaflame View Post
    Every time there's a problem nationally or a disaster or whatever this debate comes up time and time again. I'm asking for your opinions.

    This is the present anthem. In my opinion it's dull. And basically doesn't apply to me because I'm female. Nor does it apply to the indigenous of this country. Just old white rich men.
    Advance Australia fair.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl8eKxI-zeU

    This one incorporates our entire history. It's sung more often than our national anthem and people know the lyrics because it applies to them. And people tend to remember something that relates to them. It's also sung at every stage event in this country because it's seen as a feel good song. It's totally inclusive.

    This version with video gives the history of Australia and it's people and lands
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QEdUwor9pc


    This one more recently during the virus. And what I mean by bringing people together. It seems to be our 'go to' come together song.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY_tl-N93AY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrcUKgP_sks


    I'm just wondering what international folk think about it. I ask this because I caught people from other countries sing it when we've had the commonwealth games and Olympics and they put the words up on the screens. So it must have some kind of magnetism.
    Very definitely that last version - it deserves to be bilingual, sounds magnificent and reflects the country.

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    Hmmm there's a problem making it bulingual Bryn. Which language would you choose? There are hundreds of language in country. That's a can of worms I'm standing back from

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    I sure you could adapt thos one.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxjrFuC5BhU
    lol lol lol lol ....you idiot! lol lol lol lol ...that was funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    I think there's only one way forward with this. ForumGarden must hold a contest to write a suitable Australian National Anthem and you will have to persuade Australia to adopt it officially.

    This is an exceptionally fine offer and you ought to wholeheartedly jump at it.

    Now THAT would be funny. it would show how much people know about this country. Exept for "where the bloody hell are ya?" commercials, people don't know very much.
    Do you realise the man who is responsible for that commercial now runs our country? an advertising man runs our country...........God help us all! Showing himself to be an absolute dick!

    Here's a little gem that came out a few years ago. Forgotten why it came out. Maybe for Australia day?
    couple of Canadian kids summing up Australia lol

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qY_pOG9h3w

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    Re: Well it's being floated again...the debate on the change of the national anthem

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    Quote Originally Posted by magentaflame View Post
    Hmmm there's a problem making it bulingual Bryn. Which language would you choose? There are hundreds of language in country. That's a can of worms I'm standing back from
    The one where the words from a reasonable translation fit the music best? lol.

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