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    Assassination of JFK

    From the Jesse Ventura Files:

    There is no dispute whether he was assassinated or not. He was.
    There was more than one bullet? I think that's generally agreed upon.

    If Lee Harvey Oswald was even a shooter, he likely didn't act alone. This is dependent on believing it's impossible that he fired all three bullets from the book depository. No one has been able to fire the type of gun Oswald possessed in the time allotted. Oswald was a marksman, not an expert marksman, and expert marksmen have not been able to fire it that fast let alone with any accuracy.

    Witnesses that were next to the car saying the shots came from behind are either dead (most of them before 'their time') or weren't interviewed by the Warren Commission. I'll allow that it's hard to determine the source of a noise in an area with buildings. Any time you hear a siren in a downtown location, it's hard to tell the direction it's coming from until you get a visual. But it's suspicious they weren't interviewed.

    Oswald wasn't caught leaving the depository. He was apparently indicated by an eyewitness from the ground who could not possibly have made out his distinguishing features, height etc.

    George H Bush (Sr.) was in Houston and flew somewhere not there to call in a report that he'd heard about the assassination and thought he knew who might have done it. He phoned a friend of his in the CIA who later wrote George a letter saying he needed help because he'd been talking too much about the Oswald case. The talker ended up dead from a shot in the head ruled a suicide. Most likely it was a suicide. The "CIA" dude in the middle is George de Mohrenschildt. This seems to be conjecture. Maybe it's true, maybe it isn't.

    E Howard Hunt is really the provider of new evidence. Hunt was involved in Operation 40s Bay of Pigs. He confessed on his death bed that he was involved in the assassination of JFK coded Operation Big Event. There were photos of three "hobos" led away from the assassination, one of which looks much like Hunt. Papers handed over to Ventura claim that JFKs assassination was linked to Watergate. The claim is that Watergate was staged to make Nixon step down and to conceal evidence that he had linking to the JFK assassination to the government. That comes from some documents that Ventura got that are supposed to be leaked by a CIA agent.

    It's been said that JFK was assassinated because he opposed the Vietnam war. Jesse Ventura unearthed more evidence that implies he was assassinated to increase the chances of winning a war against Castro.

    I'm pretty convinced that whoever was involved and for whatever reason, it's not what the public has been told.

    Why does it matter? Because if the political parties can assassinate a president and not get caught... what does democracy mean?

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    Re: Assassination of JFK

    From everything I have ever seen and read. I believe LHO acted alone....

    Having said that, It was far more complicated than that. Oswald was a friend of Ruby's.... both were Into the mob.... but small time... LHO acted alone but once In police custody, the mob became paranoid that LHO would cop a plea bargain for the death penalty If he spilled Info on the mob...Ruby owed the mob so was ordered to take out LHO because also as his friend he could get nearer to him.

    All the above Is well documented.

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    Just a minor point, really, but it has been done.
    That rifle. and given the actual position of the governor, and the "stadium seating" configuration, it is "possible" for the bullet event as described.

    There was a probably conspiracy (meaning more than one person was involved), but, I doubt that it was so far-reaching as most of the Conspiracy theorists have dreamed.

    And if they are right, then we have long been under this massive organization who has controlled the whole world for at least a century, and it is pointless to worry about it.

    I would take comfort in the fact that at least SOMEONE is driving this bus, and we are not off willy-nilly into the dark night.
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    Re: Assassination of JFK

    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    Just a minor point, really, but it has been done.
    That rifle. and given the actual position of the governor, and the "stadium seating" configuration, it is "possible" for the bullet event as described.

    There was a probably conspiracy (meaning more than one person was involved), but, I doubt that it was so far-reaching as most of the Conspiracy theorists have dreamed.

    And if they are right, then we have long been under this massive organization who has controlled the whole world for at least a century, and it is pointless to worry about it.

    I would take comfort in the fact that at least SOMEONE is driving this bus, and we are not off willy-nilly into the dark night.
    I'm with the lucky bullet theory... It travelled through JFK Into Govenor Connolly and exited through his wrist. The other bullet was found On JFK's stretcher In the hospital later.

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    Re: Assassination of JFK

    Part of the conspiracy flaws are motivational. It's been claimed that government people wanted JFK killed because he was going to end the Vietnam war. Noam Chomsky does not believe in conspiracy theories about the assassination because he feels that JFK was in no way going to end the war and is left with no believable motive. Chomsky is a leading dissident and I consider him extremely knowledgeable about such matters.

    A different motive is presented on Ventura's show. It claims that the Operation 40 group was involved because JFK didn't support their efforts against Castro. The assassination was set up to indicate Castro was behind it and thereby garner support for greater efforts to eliminate him. This intrigues me because those insisting that Oswald acted alone say that he was linked to Castro.

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    Re: Assassination of JFK

    One some-what plausible theory that was proposed by Jack Anderson, a newspaper columnist, Is that Kennedy was killed either by right-wing Cubans who felt betrayed by the President who didn't let US forces participate In the Bay of Pigs Invasion or that he was killed by Fidel Castro's operatives. Apparently, Castro may have just been taking revenge for multiple attempts on his life that were made by CIA or Mafia contacts. The biggest problem with this theory Is that by the 1960's, the community of Cuban exiles was already Infiltrated heavily by CIA operatives, so it seems unlikely that such a plot could have gone down without prior knowledge on the part of US intelligence agencies. At the time of the assassination there was actually no just cause by Cuba to eliminate him.

    [moderator note]all but last sentence of post stolen from http://www.thecheers.org/Politics/ar...s-ination.html [/moderator note]
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    Re: Assassination of JFK

    One thing that adds legitimacy to some of the conspiracy theories is that Kennedy was about as popular among the radical Right as the current President is.

    I could tell some stories of conversations I heard around town back then.

    He was directly responsible for the US not getting the Diems out of Saigon, and for not allowing US air support during the Bay of Pigs, He and his brother were held responsible for the desegregation of schools in The South, Even though the precedent was during Ike's reign.

    There were a lot of people who had a lot of reasons to dislike him and want him out of office early.

    One thing about conspiracies, though, is that for them to actually work, the fewer people in on the thing, the more chance for success.
    Most of the failed conspiracies you hear about failed because too many people knew too much about them, and they relied upon too many people knowing what to do and when to do it.

    If there was a conspiracy around JFK, it was probably a lot smaller than most of the conspiracy advocates of today would even dream of.

    The most likely culprits would be one of the Mob families, probably in Collusion with some Anti-Castro operatives.
    Remember that Brother Robert was making life tough for the Mob and their operations in Havana.

    Ruby was a minor operator with ties to the family.

    A few feds paid to look the other way at the right moment, and the deed is done.

    No grand Illuminati scheme needed.
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    absolutely agree. The success of exposing plots is to keep to the facts and eliminate grander "world domination" schemes. One of the constant arguments I have with conspiracy theorists is that no one in the world is capable of being that organized. They just aren't that smart. Look At George W. Bush. Is he smart? Do you really think so? Maybe smarter people pulled his strings but I know a lot of smart people and they just don't have the capability of pulling off Illuminati scale conspiracies. I'd vote for smaller vision and less ability to control the consequences. That's why the JFK thing is intriguing to me. They shouldn't have been able to pull that off but someone obviously did. And the people questioning 9/11 aren't whackos. They are engineers and professionals. That's concerning as well. (Not to clutter this thread up about the 9/11 issue- that's another thread.)

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    Re: Assassination of JFK

    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    One thing that adds legitimacy to some of the conspiracy theories is that Kennedy was about as popular among the radical Right as the current President is.

    I could tell some stories of conversations I heard around town back then.

    He was directly responsible for the US not getting the Diems out of Saigon, and for not allowing US air support during the Bay of Pigs, He and his brother were held responsible for the desegregation of schools in The South, Even though the precedent was during Ike's reign.

    There were a lot of people who had a lot of reasons to dislike him and want him out of office early.

    One thing about conspiracies, though, is that for them to actually work, the fewer people in on the thing, the more chance for success.
    Most of the failed conspiracies you hear about failed because too many people knew too much about them, and they relied upon too many people knowing what to do and when to do it.

    If there was a conspiracy around JFK, it was probably a lot smaller than most of the conspiracy advocates of today would even dream of.

    The most likely culprits would be one of the Mob families, probably in Collusion with some Anti-Castro operatives.
    Remember that Brother Robert was making life tough for the Mob and their operations in Havana.

    Ruby was a minor operator with ties to the family.

    A few feds paid to look the other way at the right moment, and the deed is done.

    No grand Illuminati scheme needed.
    Good post....

    I have read just as extensively on Ruby as I have JFK, and LHO..... The Mob were Involved but very much Indirectly.... It's documented that Ruby and LHO drank together and It's documented that Ruby was connected to the mob small time... the mob didn't order the hit on Kennedy but once LHO was In custody they could not take any chances of a plea and LHO Informing police of mob activity....

    Have you ever seen the video evidence of the moment LHO Is shot ? Have you seen It slowed down frame by frame by frame? As LHO exits the building there Is a car In front of him and a crowd of people but watch carefully.... LHO looks to his left and for a nano second as he see's Ruby there Is a look of recognition.... I've seen It and why I'm convinced Ruby was In deed ordered by the mob to take him out because he could get the closest. Ruby owed the mob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oscar View Post
    Good post....

    I have read just as extensively on Ruby as I have JFK, and LHO..... The Mob were Involved but very much Indirectly.... It's documented that Ruby and LHO drank together and It's documented that Ruby was connected to the mob small time... the mob didn't order the hit on Kennedy but once LHO was In custody they could not take any chances of a plea and LHO Informing police of mob activity....

    Have you ever seen the video evidence of the moment LHO Is shot ? Have you seen It slowed down frame by frame by frame? As LHO exits the building there Is a car In front of him and a crowd of people but watch carefully.... LHO looks to his left and for a nano second as he see's Ruby there Is a look of recognition.... I've seen It and why I'm convinced Ruby was In deed ordered by the mob to take him out because he could get the closest. Ruby owed the mob.
    There was ONLY...ONE shooter (Oswald), here is the proof...

    1) the first pic shows the ENTRY wound in the BACK of the head(not the side of the head)
    2) the second pic shows how the bullet enter the back of the head and out the side causing his head to jerk sideways to give the appearance that he was shoot from the side.
    3) The third pic shows an EXIT wound on the front of the neck. Any one that knows bullet holes (like myself) knows what an exit hole and an entry hole look like. An exit hole looks like skin protruding out of the body just like what we see in this pic PROVING that it is an Exit wound also PROVING that the shoot came from behind him(where Oswald was, same as head wound from behind in Oswalds location)
    4) This pic shows what an ENTRY wound looks like...there is no skin protruding out of the body and looks like a small hole rather then a tear of flesh that an Exit wound makes.
    5) Pic 5 shows us how the bullet entered the upper back and out the neck supporting the claim that the only shots fired were from BEHIND JFK....Oswalds postion!









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