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    The Whitehouse Coup (1933)

    This is a new one to me

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    Do you get taught about it at school?

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    Re: The Whitehouse Coup (1933)

    Nope. Wasn't on out agenda when I was a kid.
    But then, neither were the McCarthy hearings.
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    Research would suggest it is another of those conspiracy rumours with little foundation in truth.
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    Re: The Whitehouse Coup (1933)

    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    Nope. Wasn't on out agenda when I was a kid.
    But then, neither were the McCarthy hearings.
    Why would something like that not be part of the curriculum? I'm surprised it wouldn't be covered as part of teaching history just as amatter of course along with the civil rights movement. You learn about the depression and the like don't you? Prohibition as well - that was the result of right wing christian politics. The McCarthy era always seemed to me to be the last fling of the american fascists, especially when you look at who the targets were.

    Research would suggest it is another of those conspiracy rumours with little foundation in truth.
    Have there not been recent releases of secret dicuments from that period, like us you have sixty and seventy year moratoriums on the release of government documents. Specifically the report of the congressional commitee that investigated the planned coup. The mocormack dixteen commitee.

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    It would be fascinating to go read them, I dare say they will be put on line eventually.

    The recent release of documents from the cuban missile crisis is an eye opener - looks like kennedy was having a real problem controlling the military and preventing them escalating the situation to full scale war. There are russian documents now available as well. When you look at both you appreciate how close a nuclear exchange really was. What you think happened is sometimes not what did. Some of the ones in the UK are fascinating, when the british navy mutinied at invergordon in 1931 it was actually the king that talked to the mutineers and was instrumental in preventing the use of force, his role wasn't known until recently.

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    Re: The Whitehouse Coup (1933)

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    Why would something like that not be part of the curriculum? I'm surprised it wouldn't be covered as part of teaching history just as amatter of course along with the civil rights movement. You learn about the depression and the like don't you? Prohibition as well - that was the result of right wing christian politics. The McCarthy era always seemed to me to be the last fling of the american fascists, especially when you look at who the targets were.



    Have there not been recent releases of secret dicuments from that period, like us you have sixty and seventy year moratoriums on the release of government documents. Specifically the report of the congressional commitee that investigated the planned coup. The mocormack dixteen commitee.

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    It would be fascinating to go read them, I dare say they will be put on line eventually.

    The recent release of documents from the cuban missile crisis is an eye opener - looks like kennedy was having a real problem controlling the military and preventing them escalating the situation to full scale war. There are russian documents now available as well. When you look at both you appreciate how close a nuclear exchange really was. What you think happened is sometimes not what did. Some of the ones in the UK are fascinating, when the british navy mutinied at invergordon in 1931 it was actually the king that talked to the mutineers and was instrumental in preventing the use of force, his role wasn't known until recently.
    Well, the Cuban Missile thing was very close, indeed. I was a boy when that was going on, but lived in an area where a lot of defense related activity was going on, and seveal families had members in the middle of the preparations.

    As for Mr Bush, though, it would seem out of character for him to have been in the middle of that issue. Even so, such an event would not have bubbled to the top of public awareness by the time I was in school.

    A lot of things get talked about over cigars and brandy, but that does not make them a reality.

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    Re: The Whitehouse Coup (1933)

    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    Well, the Cuban Missile thing was very close, indeed. I was a boy when that was going on, but lived in an area where a lot of defense related activity was going on, and seveal families had members in the middle of the preparations.

    As for Mr Bush, though, it would seem out of character for him to have been in the middle of that issue. Even so, such an event would not have bubbled to the top of public awareness by the time I was in school.

    A lot of things get talked about over cigars and brandy, but that does not make them a reality.

    insanity is often genius, unfulfilled.
    I wouldn't have thought it would have worked anyway - or at least not for long.

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    Re: The Whitehouse Coup (1933)

    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    This is a new one to me

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    Do you get taught about it at school?

    Untrue story on its face. It's a leftist attempt to associate R's with fascists when in fact fascism is a leftist movement.

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    Re: The Whitehouse Coup (1933)

    Here's what my dictionary says:

    fascism fasc"ism (f[a^]sh"[i^]z'm) n.
    1. a political theory advocating an authoritarian
    hierarchical government; -- opposed to democracy and
    liberalism.

    [WordNet 1.5]

    2. an authoritarian system of government under absolute
    control of a single dictator, allowing no political
    opposition, forcibly suppressing dissent, and rigidly
    controlling most industrial and economic activities. Such
    regimes usually try to achieve popularity by a strongly
    nationalistic appeal, often mixed with racism.

    [PJC]

    3. Specifically, the Fascist movement led by Benito Mussolini
    in Italy from 1922 to 1943.
    [PJC]

    4. broadly, a tendency toward or support of a strongly
    authoritarian or dictatorial control of government or
    other organizations; -- often used pejoratively in this
    sense.
    [PJC]

    -- From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48

    fascism
    n : a political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical
    government (as opposed to democracy or liberalism)

    -- From WordNet (r) 2.0

    72 Moby Thesaurus words for "fascism":
    Jim Crow, Jim Crow law, Nazism, anti-Semitism, apartheid,
    argumentum baculinum, big stick, black power, black supremacy,
    centralism, chauvinism, class consciousness, class distinction,
    class hatred, class prejudice, class war, collectivism, color bar,
    color line, communism, constitutionalism, democratism, despotism,
    discrimination, domination, domineering, federalism, feudalism,
    feudality, governmentalism, heavy hand, high hand, imperialism,
    iron boot, iron hand, iron heel, know-nothingism, male chauvinist,
    minority prejudice, monarchism, national socialism, neofascism,
    oppression, parliamentarianism, parliamentarism, pluralism,
    political principles, race hatred, race prejudice, race snobbery,
    racial discrimination, racialism, racism, red-baiting,
    reign of terror, republicanism, royalism, segregation,
    sex discrimination, sexism, social barrier, social discrimination,
    socialism, statism, superpatriotism, terrorism, thought control,
    tyranny, ultranationalism, white power, white supremacy,
    xenophobia

    I'd agree it is beginning to seemingly apply to many democrats today, since the democratic party has been hijacked by the moderate republicans and is no longer liberal, really. But make no mistake, it definitely applies to the right.

    Here's 'fascist':

    fascist
    adj : relating to or characteristic of fascism; "fascist
    propaganda" [syn: fascistic]
    n : an adherent of fascism or other right-wing authoritarian
    views


    -- From WordNet (r) 2.0

    37 Moby Thesaurus words for "fascist":
    absolute, aristocratic, authoritarian, autocratic, autonomous,
    bureaucratic, civic, civil, constitutional, democratic, despotic,
    dictatorial, federal, federalist, federalistic, governmental,
    gubernatorial, heteronomous, matriarchal, matriarchic, monarchal,
    monarchial, monarchic, monocratic, official, oligarchal,
    oligarchic, parliamentarian, parliamentary, patriarchal,
    patriarchic, pluralistic, political, republican, self-governing,
    theocratic, totalitarian



    -- From Moby Thesaurus II by Grady Ward, 1.0

    fascist adj. 1. [common] Said of a computer system with excessive or
    annoying security barriers, usage limits, or access policies. The
    implication is that said policies are preventing hackers from getting
    interesting work done. The variant `fascistic' seems to have been
    preferred at MIT, poss. by analogy with `touristic' (see tourist or
    under the influence of German/Yiddish `faschistisch'). 2. In the design
    of languages and other software tools, `the fascist alternative' is the
    most restrictive and structured way of capturing a particular function;
    the implication is that this may be desirable in order to simplify the
    implementation or provide tighter error checking. Compare
    bondage-and-discipline language, that term is global rather
    than local.



    -- From Jargon File (4.3.1, 29 Jun 2001)

    fascist

    <jargon> Said of a computer system with excessive or annoying
    security barriers, usage limits, or access policies. The
    implication is that said policies are preventing hackers from
    getting interesting work done. The variant "fascistic" seems
    to have been preferred at MIT.
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    Re: The Whitehouse Coup (1933)

    Quote Originally Posted by wikipedia
    While historians have questioned whether or not a coup was actually close to execution, most agree that some sort of "wild scheme" was contemplated and discussed.[2][3][4][5][6] Contemporaneous media initially dismissed the plot, with a New York Times editorial characterizing it as a "gigantic hoax".[7] When the committee's final report was released, the Times said the committee "purported to report that a two-month investigation had convinced it that General Butler's story of a Fascist march on Washington was alarmingly true" and "It also alleged that definite proof had been found that the much publicized Fascist march on Washington, which was to have been led by Major. Gen. Smedley D. Butler, retired, according to testimony at a hearing, was actually contemplated".[8]
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    I taught US history as recently as last year, and I've never heard of this. The 3 minutes of research I just did shows that at least some think it a credible story. Makes one wonder what else is hidden in our attic.

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