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    Reincarnation, Past Lives ETC

    I would like to know what people think about the concept of reincarnation and past lives. I am really between 2 minds. About 4 years ago I went through a bad patch and for the first time in my life I felt myself confronting ideas tradionally against my Catholic upbringing. I have since become quite fascinated with the topics and have read loads of books. I still can't decide whether I truely believe but some of it certainly makes sense.
    I have been reading things on another forum which shall remain nameless regarding peoples experiences and I must honestly say that I find some of them quite 'off the wall'.
    It seems like they all have past lives dating back in certain cases hundreds of years.
    I mean in all honestly, how the hell would you remember?
    As you see I'm also a sceptic finding it hard to just believe something without scientific evidence.
    Since I've started all this I have had the most amazing dreams though!! Do you think that you suddenly open up a little bit if you start dealing with all these topics?
    I would be grateful for some feedback on this.

    Thanks so much.

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    Re: Reincarnation, Past Lives ETC

    Reincarnation can seem exciting because you get chance after chance after chance to live again. The prospect is enticing because followers of Reincarnation tell you that you keep learning and becoming a 'better person' throughout your numerous lives. The power is in YOU!

    It is in direct opposition to Christian teachings bascially because it denies Jesus as your Savior and puts ALL the power of eternal life within you.

    Do you really believe that you can determine your ongoing existenance by "your own good works"?

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    Hi Jenny,

    I recently posted this on actionFigureSteph's thread..."Is this blasphemy?"

    You may think its nuts but it made sense to me as it helped me see things more clearly. So here it is again:

    I don't know if I can help, but I recently came up with a theory which explains things to me, although you may think it's naive or even total crap!

    Let me start by telling you that 2005 was absolutely the WORST year of my life!
    Firstly, my son broke his leg on the school trampolines. He was 13 and just about to start his teenage 'growth spurt'. The doctor said he has fractured his growth plate and we may find that one leg would grow and one wouldn't! He would then have to have major surgery on his leg, maybe even several ops, to stop the good leg from growing!

    Next, my sister told a lie about me 'for fun'. It resulted in my mother calling me a "vindictive bitch" and she hasn't spoken to me since! No-one in my entire family has spoken to me since then either! It's been 11 months now!

    Then I was told I had some cancerous cells which would require one treatment to cure. However the treatment didn't catch them all and I had to go back for more. In March, if its still there, I have to have surgery to remove it. After that I found I was diabetic and will need to take medication for the rest of my life. And injections hurt!

    Next my daughter fractured her leg in an accident. Although mended, it still aches and she still has the scar. Then some good news, I got pregnant! I have wanted another baby since I miscarried twins 10 years ago. But with such a bad year, I was worried I might lose it....and 4 months later, that sadly happened!

    Finally, my favourite aunt died! She was closer to me than my mum and she passed very suddenly. I saw my mum and sister at the funeral. My sis and bil turned their backs to me! And my mother said I was basically a miserable bitch and my bil was going to report me to the police for harassment because I sent my niece a birthday card! Nutter! My son asked why she hadn't called him to ask about his leg, as he had to have several xrays to see if his leg was growing or not. She shrugged and said "I dunno. I couldn't be bothered!" Some grandmother!!

    We spent months worrying about my son and whether his leg would grow. Also we had tears from my daughter every night because she was being so badly bullied at school. The school were totally useless and the year head just said "Toughen up!" (She says that to ALL the bullied kids and I now find bullying is rife in the school!) I tried to send her to a different school but that Head said my daughters Head was a friend of hers and she should go back and face up to the bullies! I have finally pulled her out of school and am home-schooling her as she was just so utterly miserable!

    Now hubby is off work as he damaged his leg at work. He's due back soon but I don't think he's going to be able to cope.

    So it has been a year of worries and upsets. Oh, also I was VERY depressed for the last few months because of losing the baby. And I had no one in my family who even cared enough to talk to me about it.

    Sorry, this is a long story!

    Anyway, I wondered why we are all here, on this planet? Is it a fluke? We're born, we suffer, we die, generation after generation. Whats the point of our stupid little lives? Then I thought, look at our bodies, they are an amazing miracle. Everything has a purpose. If you get a cold, you breathe through your mouth so you continue to live. If one lung collapses, you still have another. Ditto kidneys. Ditto eyes, hands, arms, etc. Don't know why we don't have 2 hearts though! Lol!

    So when you think about it, our bodies are perfect machines and surely something so perfectly designed MUST have a purpose in this life.

    So then I thought, okay I have heard that we all have a purpose in this life. What if some people have a really major purpose and some only have a small purpose?
    Take for instance, Prince Charles and Princess Diana. Diana did an amazing amount during he Royal life. She touched people, she hugged them. She made us aware of land mines, she showed us that people with Aids can be hugged, she opened our eyes and showed us a loving and caring side of the Royal family who, prior to her arrival, had been a bunch of frigid stiffs! She had a HUGE purpose in life! And Prince Charles married her! That's it! That's his purpose! Just a little thing! But she could never have achieved any of this if she were married to anyone else! So he was in the right position to promote her to her place in the world.

    Then I wondered WHY some people have a more important purpose than others?
    And WHY some people have so much more ill luck than others?
    My son was born with kidney problems and operated on when just 3 days old!
    My daughter is a chronic asthmatic who has spent quite a lot of time in hospital and has been on a life support machine, when the doctors told us she probably wouldn't survive! Yet my sister and my best friend both sail gaily through life. Neither of them have had anything bad happen to them, none of their kids have ever been in hospital, everything just seems to fall into their laps! Its frustrating! Not that I want anything bad to happen to them, but I look around and I see so many people around me with so few problems and we seem to have so many things go wrong! That sounds very self-pitying and I don't mean it to. I just wondered WHY?

    Then I got to thinking about reincarnation, which I believe in. And I started thinking about the belief that you live several lives on this earth and each life has to be better than the last. When you finally live a perfect life THEN your soul can go to Paradise or the Elysian Fields or wherever you believe your heaven to be.

    I also thought that some people say you are an old soul, meaning you have lived on this earth before. Which must mean there are new souls too. And I thought of those maxims people so often say, such as "The good die young" or the funny one about 'Why do the best ones die young when the miserable old bast*rds are here forever?" (I can't remember the exact quote! Sorry!)

    So, putting all this together, I thought what if your soul lives a life, just like your human life? But what if your souls life was a thousand years or more, whilst your body's life was perhaps a hundred years?

    New souls to this earth will be as babies or children all their lives. Children are loud, brash, argumentative, noisy and many people are like this too. My mother, for instance, argues about everything, has the arrogance to think she is always right when she rarely is and has never truly 'grown up'. Even though she's nearly 70 she has quite a childish and petty attitude. Perhaps such 'new souls', like children, cannot cope with too much hurt and so they lead 'easy' lives without too much pain or aggro. perhaps thats why some people seem to be able to just sail through life.

    Then as your soul is reborn into a 2nd or 3rd life, it is a more mature soul. As adults many of us do suffer with pain, either physical or mental or emotional or all three. Maybe those of us who are older souls are given tasks or burdens which can help our souls 'mature'. Through our own pain and suffering we are able to open our hearts to others who hurt and help them in their lives. Maybe people are in our lives for only as long as they need us to help them before they are able to move on. Older souls see through skin colour or religion or other such petty considerations, which hamper the newer souls. Older souls are more giving, kinder, more generous souls. When you meet that rare person who is just SO lovely, SO kind and you think "I wish I were more like them", then surely that person is a much older soul than you. They are more experienced in opening their hearts to the world. They are less likely to reject others for any superficial reason.

    Not forgetting that each soul must still fulfill its purpose within each lifetime, in order to grow and continue its spiritual journey.

    Then, perhaps after several lifetimes, perhaps even after staying at the same level for a few lifetimes until the lesson which is necessary at that stage of the soul's life is learnt, perhaps then we too become old souls. I thought that at this stage there could be little left to learn. Maybe there is just one small thing we have left to do, or to understand, before we finally achieve our paradise. So perhaps, once all lifes lessone are learnt and our soul is in harmony with the universe, perhaps that is when we pass on to our true Paradise. And I wondered, without causing offense to anyone, whether this is why children die? Children shouldn't be allowed to die. But maybe, using this theory, maybe they have achieved the last little thing they needed to achieve before passing into paradise. They have no need to continue to live on. So while we see the desperate tragedy of a childs death, maybe they see it as the end of the souls journey into spiritual enlightenment.

    I think its interesting that many of the people on this site are so similar. we all seem to be older souls who can open our hearts to each other and we attract similar souls to this site. We can still kick butt, proving that our souls still have lessons to learn but we all seem to understand where we're all coming from too.
    And it doesn't matter how old you are in this life but how far advanced your soul is in ITS life.

    I don't know if you think this is mad or even if you bother to read it because its so long winded! I just know that it explains a lot of things to me.

    For instance, why do so many families never get along? Some are kind and understanding family members, some are bolshy gits! Yet perhaps this is older souls teaching younger souls the true meaning of life. Maybe your child is an older soul than you and perhaps you learn understanding or forgiveness from them.

    This theory works for me. It explains why my mum is so loud and brash for her age. Perhaps, as a new soul, she is just learning how to deal with the world.

    I also think Valerie has a point in her 'talking to angels' theory. I was VERY down before Christmas and I asked for angelic help (after all, who would know?) and I firmly believe, when I was at that lowest point, that I felt angel wings around my shoulders! I could even picture, and perhaps felt, the wing feathers tickling my ankles!

    Now you think I'm a total nutcase. Maybe you're right. But I feel much happier since then and haven't felt anywhere near as low since! My theory helped me. Maybe it will help you to understand why we are given suffering at this point to help us grow and to lose the pettiness that we all have as children.

    Anyway, I'm off to my nice padded soundproof womb...er...room now!
    Nightey night.
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    Your spirit will never die, your true self is your consciousness not the mind and body, that is my belief,

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    Interesting,
    i guess if the body were too die and the spirit live , i would assume ' if possible ' it would depent on how strong the spirit is and the will too live, i no for certtin some people wish to live forever and some people wish there life was over, the life experience of a spirit would grow stronger and stronger in a person who wishes to live forever and has led a happy and fullfild life.

    but this tread intreag's me

    so i'll be watching....

    Nice one again JENNYSWAN.

    Did you find the tread i left for you.....Jennyswan

    Shadow....

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    Thanks Sojo and Thanks Sixyearsleft.

    What an amazing story.

    Mine is not similar in the things that happened but similar as in 2002 was the start of my hell. I'm much better now for 'being in hell'. Would I change it? NO! Because then I would not be the person who I am today. I know it may seem that I'm just superficial because most of my posts are 'funny' but at heart I'm different. I'm just a bit shy at sharing and I'm frightened of being judged I suppose.

    I thank you so much for you comments and wish you both love and courage and a great 2006.

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    Interesting,
    i guess if the body were too die and the spirit live , i would assume ' if possible ' it would depent on how strong the spirit is and the will too live, i no for certtin some people wish to live forever and some people wish there life was over, the life experience of a spirit would grow stronger and stronger in a person who wishes to live forever and has led a happy and fullfild life.

    but this tread intreag's me

    so i'll be watching....

    Nice one again JENNYSWAN.

    Did you find the tread i left for you.....Jennyswan

    Shadow....
    Hi Shadow,

    How's it going? Thanks for your thread. It was very sweet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jennyswan
    Hi Shadow,

    How's it going? Thanks for your thread. It was very sweet.
    Hey..J/S
    Laid upon a sofa with a pulled ligament in my back, so giving the keyboad some hammer this week. need a warm pair of soft delicate hands upon my spine BUT hey, dont all us men wish this..lol
    guess i'll just have to suffer in silence..lol

    we are all a little different than we appear, we can so easly put a front on, hell i do it most days, its a little like being a actor in a film I guess, but the difference is we have to because of circumstances in our lives not for cash...

    but i know were your coming from.....life is a little like the life of a show jumper. a few hurdles a few brick walls and a few water splashes, we we all react differently to these chalanges.

    Shadow

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    Hey..J/S
    Laid upon a sofa with a pulled ligament in my back, so giving the keyboad some hammer this week. need a warm pair of soft delicate hands upon my spine BUT hey, dont all us men wish this..lol
    guess i'll just have to suffer in silence..lol

    we are all a little different than we appear, we can so easly put a front on, hell i do it most days, its a little like being a actor in a film I guess, but the difference is we have to because of circumstances in our lives not for cash...

    but i know were your coming from.....life is a little like the life of a show jumper. a few hurdles a few brick walls and a few water splashes, we we all react differently to these chalanges.

    Shadow
    Hey Shadow

    Poor thing. That must hurt like hell. I trapped a nerve in mine once in Germany. I thought I was dying.I think everybody around me did as well. I always feel very sorry for myself when I'm sick. I'm not a very good patient.

    But keep hammering away at the keyboard.
    I would be delighted if I could only type as fast I think :-)

    On the subject of reincarnation, pyschics etc. I'm reading a book about Sylvia Browne at the moment and another one about Mia Dolan. Makes interesting reading but I don't know how much I believe.
    I'm off to bed in a sec. Got to get my beauty sleep.
    Get better soon.


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    Re: Reincarnation, Past Lives ETC

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    Hey Shadow

    . Got to get my beauty sleep.
    Get better soon.

    i sure you dont need it....

    ttfn.....shadow

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