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    I would like to know what people think about the concept of reincarnation and past lives. I am really between 2 minds. About 4 years ago I went through a bad patch and for the first time in my life I felt myself confronting ideas tradionally against my Catholic upbringing. I have since become quite fascinated with the topics and have read loads of books. I still can't decide whether I truely believe but some of it certainly makes sense.
    I have been reading things on another forum which shall remain nameless regarding peoples experiences and I must honestly say that I find some of them quite 'off the wall'.
    It seems like they all have past lives dating back in certain cases hundreds of years.
    I mean in all honestly, how the hell would you remember?
    As you see I'm also a sceptic finding it hard to just believe something without scientific evidence.
    Since I've started all this I have had the most amazing dreams though!! Do you think that you suddenly open up a little bit if you start dealing with all these topics?
    I would be grateful for some feedback on this.

    Thanks so much.
    I am fairly sure there are people who have ben reincarnated many times. My grand daughter lives with me and she dont bat an eye when she tells me about her Texas mom and what she did when she lived in Texas. She is now ten but she has been saying this for years. She said she was 22 at one time when she lived in Texas. She said she died and went to Heaven and God sent her back down to be born to her now mom. Besides this, once when she was in her twos, she was standing near on corner of the living room and talking. He mom asked her what she was doing and she told her she was talking to that man. There was no man there. Her mom asked her what man and she said Tommy Thompson. That was my son who was her moms brother and he had got killed many years before. We had never told her his name or anything about it. I have heard of Indigo Children and I have to wonder if she is. She is very bright now and is going to a school program they call ACE. It means Academic Center for Ehancement I think. Out of two cities here they chose 600 children to go there one day a week and they chose by test scores and she scored 100. They had to score 96 at least. Only her and one other child in her grade at school were chosen. Strange how at age two she did not seem to have much imagination. She just called her dolls doll or her pets cat or dog. But now she does have a lot of imagination.

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    Kids are amazing. I love stories like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jennyswan View Post
    I would like to know what people think about the concept of reincarnation and past lives. I am really between 2 minds.

    Since I've started all this I have had the most amazing dreams though!! Do you think that you suddenly open up a little bit if you start dealing with all these topics?
    I would be grateful for some feedback on this.

    Thanks so much.
    Hi Jenny

    I don't believe in reincarnation and past lives.....it just doesn't fit in with what I believe about me and my soul and all. I believe that if you open yourself to it and you are drawn to it, that is where your belief will be. But I don't think you can, on this particular issue, have any other belief at the same time. I don't think other beliefs mix well with it. I was exposed to reincarnation thoughts and found myself buying into it until I realized I had to give up everything I have believed up until now so I separated myself from it.

    I am not against reincarnation. I am just saying that it is not for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alobar51 View Post
    A careful examination of the universe at large reveals a remarkable efficiency. It doesn't appear to waste anything. Not a single quark, particle, or wave. It seems to recycle everything.

    Having said that, it makes no sense to me that it wouldn't recycle conciousnees, too, on some level.

    It's likely more fantastic than any of us can imagine. The componenet parts might break down, much as the hydrogen and oxygen molecules break down in water to form other things.

    The memory of a loved one that is triggered by the scent of a rose on a spring day could be their essence that was distributed through the soil along with the mineral content of their physical body.

    Eastern philosophies that incorporate karma and the progression of the soul in their teachings have us returning in human form, which may well be the case. I don't think that this is the only possible scenario, however.

    Transpersonal phsychologist, Ken Wilber addresses this question in one of his essays. He said that he gets asked the question a lot, and that it's a no win situation for him. He loses half his audience regardless of which side of the arguement he comes down on. He then goes on to say that he does believe that it occurs, and launches into a detailed explanation that goes way over my head.
    edgar cayce had many thousands of readings which discussed many aspects of the reincarnation idea. in most, he would identify which past lives were affecting the current lives of the subject being given the reading. one of his ideas was the usefulness of knowing what you did in your past lives.
    i don't know his exact words, but they were to the effct that knowing all details would be far more detrimental to the individual to know than to keep it from being known.
    for example, if the individual was one to commit greivous harm to others, the felings of guilt would overwhelm the person, as would knowledge of the great things done lead the person to try to do such things again, but fail to since the conditions would be so different.
    while knowing of a past life might be of interest, it would not really be helpful to know more than just a cursory idea of the period in which the individual lived. details would cause confusion and even some inability to deal with the current conditions which may be directly linked to the past. instead of progressive actions being taken, the actions may be regressive for the individual.
    knowing that, would you want to remember all the details of even one past life, let alone all of them? it is a truism when people say ignorance is bliss, especially when any knowledge of a past life is concerned.
    whether some believe, or disbelieve in reincarnation is something which is an interesting subject, but not one to become the end all of knowledge. in a sense it really makes little or no difference what one believes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alobar51 View Post
    >>>It is in direct opposition to Christian teachings bascially because it denies Jesus as your Savior and puts ALL the power of eternal life within you.


    Reincarnation was part of Christian philosophy until about the 8th century.
    if you read about john the baptist, you will note that jc said john was a reincarnated individual, and even tells who he was in that life. much of the references to reincarnation were removed from the bible because there was a fear that it would become known that those who were responsible for some very bad acts would have to return to face the same conditions they had engaged in but be the one upon which those actions would occur. eastern religions call it karma. it is nothing more than cause and effect. that which you do unto others shall be done unto you, whether for good or ill.
    the old testament gives many examples of what happens to those who act wrongly, and how they are punished, or rewarded for their actions when the actions are good.
    david is an excellant example. read about what he did, both right, and wrong, and how his actions were rewarded, or how he recieved punishment, for his actions.

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    Hi Jenny

    I don't believe in reincarnation and past lives.....it just doesn't fit in with what I believe about me and my soul and all. I believe that if you open yourself to it and you are drawn to it, that is where your belief will be. But I don't think you can, on this particular issue, have any other belief at the same time. I don't think other beliefs mix well with it. I was exposed to reincarnation thoughts and found myself buying into it until I realized I had to give up everything I have believed up until now so I separated myself from it.

    I am not against reincarnation. I am just saying that it is not for me.
    hi weber. it's me again! i see you got a new bird. how'd you get it to flap its wings, but not fly away?

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    hi weber. it's me again! i see you got a new bird. how'd you get it to flap its wings, but not fly away?
    Hey Charles

    How ya doin'? The bird is an animation smiley or image. He came that way and I asked him to stay and he said "OK".

    Not sure what you are saying up above but I have not had any past lives and will not have any future lives......just this one so there is no problem for me. I have been told by somebody that it doesn't matter what I believe, that I reincarnate anyway. I don't buy into that.....it is like me saying that others are what I say they are regardless of what they believe. The world is full of multiple choices and thank God we don't have to life by other peoples' choices.
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    Hey Charles

    How ya doin'? The bird is an animation smiley or image. He came that way and I asked him to stay and he said "OK".

    Not sure what you are saying up above but I have not had any past lives and will not have any future lives......just this one so there is no problem for me. I have been told by somebody that it doesn't matter what I believe, that I reincarnate anyway. I don't buy into that.....it is like me saying that others are what I say they are regardless of what they believe. The world is full of multiple choices and thank God we don't have to life by other peoples' choices.
    nice of the bird! but now to convince you about, uh, what was the question? i seem to have short term memory loss. it started with my name. oh well, on to the next problem. now what was i supposed to ask? forget it, i'll call the boss. he'll know. (i hope)
    as for what i wrote earlier, to each his own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charles_r51 View Post
    nice of the bird! but now to convince you about, uh, what was the question? i seem to have short term memory loss. it started with my name. oh well, on to the next problem. now what was i supposed to ask? forget it, i'll call the boss. he'll know. (i hope)
    as for what i wrote earlier, to each his own.
    As usual I am not crafty enough (I know I am smart) to figure out what you are talking about. Charles is your name, that's right on your avatar or thereabouts. Now do tell me what is your game. I am one of those boring "what you see is what I am" types. If I am confusing to you, it is an accident. Anyway, I always enjoy wondering what you are talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weber View Post
    As usual I am not crafty enough (I know I am smart) to figure out what you are talking about. Charles is your name, that's right on your avatar or thereabouts. Now do tell me what is your game. I am one of those boring "what you see is what I am" types. If I am confusing to you, it is an accident. Anyway, I always enjoy wondering what you are talking about.
    don't feel bad about not understanding what i'm talking about. my wife and kids are the same way. and most of the time i don't know what i'm talking about either.if i ever figure it out, then i'll probably go nuts wondering how i got that way! the only game i like is chess, and i can't hardly beat myself, let alone someone who knows how to play.
    i don't mean to be confusing, it just comes out that way. but at least i can find my way around this town. my wife gets lost trying to get out of an open paper bag. and if that ain't bad enough, i'm beginning to confuse myself. i think i need a beer!

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