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    Slave Generation.

    I always wonder about things like this. Personally I think it's a symptom of the "free market" gone awry. Here at the University of Washington the dean makes $500,000 a year plus room and board (this includes his car) and whatever speaking fees ect he can get.

    He is being paid what he is because it is what the "free market" will bear. Toss in the professors salaries and the cost of operating the campuses and the cost of going to school there becomes almost impossible to stomach.

    You can do much better selling drugs than going to school. If you sell drugs there is a small chance you will go to jail and you can make millions doing it. Go to school you will be a slave for the rest of your life. That is all but a certainty.

    We need to do something about this.



    Student Debts, Stunted Lives

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    The Democratic Party did not find her. The Hollywood liberals did not find her. The reactionaries are not looking for her. But the Chicago Tribune did find Margo Albert and did understand how significant her plight is.

    The paper wrote, "Margo Alpert is on the 30-year plan. Every month between $500 and $600 is automatically deducted from her salary to pay off college loans. By the time the 29-year-old Chicago public-interest lawyer is in her mid-50s and thinking seriously about retirement, she will finally be free of college debt."

    The newspaper also found Carrie Gevirtz, a 28-year-old social worker with a degree from the University of Chicago, a $55,000 school debt and an annual salary of $33,000. She is quoted as saying, "I can't afford my lifestyle. I'm not in a position to buy a place. I can't buy a condo and don't know when I would, unless my income changed dramatically.... I was not prepared for this.... It really freaked me out." To make ends meet after deducting her $250 monthly payment on her student loan, Gevirtz has a second job at a health club and does baby-sitting.

    Starting July 1 the interest on student loans taken out by students will rise to just less than 7 percent. Loans taken out by parents for students will shoot up to 8.5 percent. The theory the Republican Congress works on is that increases in fees and interest payments from the white-collar masses are not the same as tax increases, some of which might have to be paid by our protected class of billionaire kleptocrats from whom, we are told, all blessings, especially our jobs, flow.

    Whenever the subject of the high and ever-mounting cost of tuitions and the student loans needed to pay for them comes up, the focus falls on individual financial hardship. We're invited to pity or empathize with Margo Alpert, and she certainly deserves it, but our attention is not drawn to the consequences of these arrangements. Nor is the discussion ever couched in terms of the social control implicit in high tuition and high student-loan interest rates.

    The most important consequence of the financial hole the Margo Alperts are in, thanks to their education, is that many of them are going to be childless. Many others will have one child at most. How can a young couple, each with $40,000 or $50,000 of debt, think of having three or four kids? They will have to wait until they are in their late 30s to have a family and by then, when they think of college costs, they will feel compelled to limit themselves to one child.

    There's a policy for you! While our legislators are up nights working on new tax gimmicks to further "capital flows," as they like to call their money-grabbing, they are also burning the midnight oil to throw up financial barriers that will keep the middle class from having children. Forget the cant about family values. Make that childless couple values.

    There is social control in loading young people up with financial obligations. Burdened with debt and desperate to have and keep a job, there is no way they can take a wild year off — and certainly no time for protesting, organizing or causing the kind of social and political trouble young people cause from time to time. Would there have been a civil rights movement? Would there have been an antiwar movement if those collegians had been saddled with the debts our present-day young people carry?

    How many young people turn away from low-paying but vital professions because they can't earn enough to pay back their loans? How many potential social workers, pro bono lawyers, journalists, environmentalists, teachers, artists, secondary medical professionals and community workers are we losing?

    The two things that make most of us cringe are the thought of "1984" and "The Stepford Wives." In fiction both of those nightmares achieved reality through drugs or chemicals and voodooish alchemy. In actuality America can become a Stepford nation merely by adjusting the price of education and a few interest rates.

    Will somebody get angry and start yelling?

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    I saw that article in the news yesterday. The problem is getting worse. I graduated in 1996 with a student loan debt of $40,000. I had a degree in a field that paid pretty well so I was able to pay down my loan and now have it almost paid off. I'm considering going back to school for my master's. I checked the tuition at CU where I got my BS and tuition is now almost twice what it was in '96. Add to that the cost of housing which has also doubled since then and college is no longer affordable for many people.

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    I'm in college too. I have been trying to study for my AA for years now. I have to take classes in a part-time basis now, so that I can look for work so I can pay for housing and living expenses. My student loan is not anywhere near as high as some other's. And I qualify for a fee waiver and grants. I am also in my school's EOPS program. But paying for college is very hard.

    But I really love school

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    Scrat, while I appreciate and understand the sentiment, advocating selling drugs as opposed to getting an education is dangerous, and ill-advised. If my son were to see this, I sure wouldn't want him getting the wrong idea.
    Just one mom's opinion.
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    Re: Slave Generation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrat

    We need to do something about this.
    I absolutely agree! I've spent literally seconds of my life researching this very subject, and found a few resources for our impoverished masses to gain access to higher education for little or no money.

    We need to get this information to the parents and kids early, because there is preparation involved, such as studying and getting good grades, then possibly writing gruelling essays and such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saffron
    I'm in college too. I have been trying to study for my AA for years now. I have to take classes in a part-time basis now, so that I can look for work so I can pay for housing and living expenses. My student loan is not anywhere near as high as some other's. And I qualify for a fee waiver and grants. I am also in my school's EOPS program. But paying for college is very hard.

    But I really love school
    Aren't community colleges free out in California? Living expenses were my biggest expense while in school and where most of my student loans went. I was able to get scholarships and grants to pay for most of the tuition, but just paying rent was the hardest part, even though I was working part time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benjamin
    Aren't community colleges free out in California? Living expenses were my biggest expense while in school and where most of my student loans went. I was able to get scholarships and grants to pay for most of the tuition, but just paying rent was the hardest part, even though I was working part time.
    They used to be free. When I was there in the mid 90's it was really cheap for residents and military......... oh yeh, illegal aliens get the discount too.

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    My fiance wants to go back to school for mathematics, demographics and a few other things to add to her resume but the cost is staggering, she is looking at almost $5000 a semester for her studies. We are well established in life with a solid foundation to work from, she could quit her current job and go to school full time and I could support her without many worries.

    Young people (unless they are part of the wealthy upperclass) don't have these options. This is what is going to kill this country in the end.

    The concept of a free market economy is a good thing, but there is such a thing as too much of a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrat
    My fiance wants to go back to school for mathematics, demographics and a few other things to add to her resume but the cost is staggering, she is looking at almost $5000 a semester for her studies. We are well established in life with a solid foundation to work from, she could quit her current job and go to school full time and I could support her without many worries.

    Young people (unless they are part of the wealthy upperclass) don't have these options. This is what is going to kill this country in the end.

    The concept of a free market economy is a good thing, but there is such a thing as too much of a good thing.
    How did you become well-established? Where did the solid foundation come from?

    Young people have infinite options. All it takes is work, imagination, and people to stop telling them it's too hard so they may as well not try.

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    Scrat, while I appreciate and understand the sentiment, advocating selling drugs as opposed to getting an education is dangerous, and ill-advised. If my son were to see this, I sure wouldn't want him getting the wrong idea.
    Just one mom's opinion.
    I think your son will see this as he grows if things do not change. When I walk through the U-district I see 3 kinds of young people.

    The rich kid ratpackers in their Beemers and Mercs, the drug dealers in their SUVs flashing gang signs and guns out the windows, and the vast majority of regular young people scrabbling to hold down 2 jobs and go to school while living in a hovel somewhere on 56th street and 12th ave.

    I don't know where you live but I live in the Seattle area. Here crime pays very well, very well indeed.

    You can make millions selling drugs on the streets, if you go to school you end up with a lifelong debt. What is to be said?

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