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    Guns Bullets People

    Stories of children being injured or killed by stray bullets in our metropolitan dwellings are becoming all too frequent.
    My feeble mind tells me this is unnacceptable. No way should this continue.
    The problem appears to be kids are getting their hands on guns.
    Guns can be bought by anyone with dollars.
    Some or many more are stolen. A child with a bullet in her head is enough reason for me to believe the line has been crossed and drastic changes and maybe even liberties are in dire need of severe upheaval in this country.
    Our current gun laws arent working as evidenced by whos holding the guns now. Namely gangs.

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    I with you Nomie 100%. But the Gun people will disagree 100% until one of their own is killed by a stray bullet from an illegal gun. There are to many guns on the street and both sides have to figure out how to stop this flow.

    Stories of children being injured or killed by stray bullets in our metropolitan dwellings are becoming all too frequent.
    My feeble mind tells me this is unnacceptable. No way should this continue.
    The problem appears to be kids are getting their hands on guns.
    Guns can be bought by anyone with dollars.
    Some or many more are stolen. A child with a bullet in her head is enough reason for me to believe the line has been crossed and drastic changes and maybe even liberties are in dire need of severe upheaval in this country.
    Our current gun laws arent working as evidenced by whos holding the guns now. Namely gangs.
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    Re: Guns Bullets People

    I think all ammunition should have that batch dust in it which allows forensic identification of the supply chain, and that possession of unmarked or stolen ammunition should be heavily penalized.

    Other than that small adjustment, what do legal guns and illegal guns have to do with each other? Changing the ownership rules of legal guns isn't going to affect illegal gun possession or use one iota.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    I think all ammunition should have that batch dust in it which allows forensic identification of the supply chain, and that possession of unmarked or stolen ammunition should be heavily penalized.

    Other than that small adjustment, what do legal guns and illegal guns have to do with each other? Changing the ownership rules of legal guns isn't going to affect illegal gun possession or use one iota.
    I agree, the machine is just too big.
    A thought comes to mind though, no action is an action. By initiating innovative gun laws now might prevent more guns from getting into the wrong hands later.
    The whole process of gun ownership needs to be turned upside down.
    We need to think outside of the box on this one.
    Little girls playing in the park should not end up with stray bullets implanted in their skulls.
    That in and of itself is enough to say enough.

    Batch dust and forensics are incredible tools for tracing but its still after the fact.
    We need prevention.
    At the same time I realize the NRA and gun lobbies will make this nearly impossible.
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    I've done everything I have to do in order to own and carry a gun.

    They are registered and I have a permit. But, none of that helps if someone breaks into my house and steals my gun and kills someone with it. Their fault, not mine.

    A gun owned by an idiot doesn't make the gun an idiot. Any fool that shoots a gun in the air, keeps it in a house with children without a trigger guard or put out of their reach is still a fool. The gun doesn't shoot children, fools do.

    Even if we get rid of all the guns in America, someone will find a way to get one here. Same as drugs. If we get rid of guns, then knives will become a problem and then only grocery stores, delis or restaurants will be able to own a knife.

    Same with cars. Because someone runs over a child while talking on the cell phone or looking the other way doesn't mean we should get rid of cars. Alcohol is still being sold even though more and more people are being killed by drunk drivers.

    I don't have the answer. The laws are already there. Just as the laws for murder, but it still happens. And some murders happen with no gun being involved.

    Let's think of a way for this to never happen. Perhaps a gun school before one can be bought. Like a drivers license, you have to pass before you can buy one. Psychological testing included. Maybe raise the legal age to own a gun. But you have to include rifles, shotguns and BB guns in that also.

    I just can't think of a way to keep guns out of the hands of an incompetent person and still let the rest of us own one for self defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 911 View Post
    I just can't think of a way to keep guns out of the hands of an incompetent person and still let the rest of us own one for self defense.
    When in Rome do as the Romans. America is always going to have more guns than criminals whether anyone can legally own guns or not, that's the American way. We're not like that in Europe. It's not what's on sale or the terms you can legally hold one under, it's the way people behave.

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    Ok 911, I get all of that and weve all heard the same arguments back and forth for ages.
    Theres this nagging thought I cant escape though.
    The girl has the right to not get shot more than you have the right to exercise your right to gun ownership.
    Your statement that its not your fault if a gun is stolen from your house doesnt wash with me.
    You have an extraordinary responsibility to make sure that does not happen, that gun must remain inaccessible.
    Nothing personal here ok but Id rather see you take a risk than the child.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Ok 911, I get all of that and weve all heard the same arguments back and forth for ages.
    Theres this nagging thought I cant escape though.
    The girl has the right to not get shot more than you have the right to exercise your right to gun ownership.
    Your statement that its not your fault if a gun is stolen from your house doesnt wash with me.
    You have an extraordinary responsibility to make sure that does not happen, that gun must remain inaccessible.
    Nothing personal here ok but Id rather see you take a risk than the child.
    I can see your point, who wouldn't?

    But her rights are the same as mine. They're rights. I should leave myself venerable to thugs on the off chance that someone might take my gun and kill a kid?

    We had a ten year old shoot another ten year old the other day. Not many details yet, but in my opinion, the owner of that gun should go to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200.00. . . .

    I take extraordinary care with my weapons. There are no children around and I don't play with them. They are there if I need them and that's it. The state law states that I must retreat as far as possible until I cannot and then I can defend myself. MYSELF, not my things. But, the mayor changed that and said I can shoot anyone attempting to take my car or any material things I have. Not sure I would do that. It's just a car. Suppose in the dark of night it turns out to be a 12 year old kid fiddling with my car. I'm not sure the grand jury would see it his way. Besides, my car is one that traps them inside and they cannot get out without smashing a window or I let them out. (I love that feature!)

    I agree there are too many thugs with guns, puffed chests, and egos to kill. But taking everyones gun is not right. Find a way to keep them from getting in the hands of anyone, and maybe I'll give mine up.

    As I said earlier, what's next? Some hoodlum stabbing you to get your wallet? What then?
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    what's next? Some hoodlum stabbing you to get your wallet? What then?
    I dont know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    I dont know.
    I don't either and therein lies the rub.

    It's a merry-go-round and we can't seem to get off.
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