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    Do we ‘get pissed’ to ‘let off steam’?

    Do we ‘get pissed’ to ‘let off steam’?

    We generally speak about knowledge from a phenomenological (an observable fact or event) perspective; recent developments in neuroscience, however limited, suggest some of the neural bases for conceptualization, which is brain action discernable via brain scan technology

    “Concepts are neural activation patterns that can either be “turned on” by some actual perceptual or motoric event in our bodies, or else activated when we merely think about something, without actually perceiving it or performing a specific action…The most sweeping claim of conceptual metaphor theory is that what we call abstract concepts are defined by systematic mappings from body based, sensorimotor source domains onto abstract target domains.” Quote from “The Meaning of the Body” Mark Johnson

    Words have meaning for us only within a context that is meaningful. At some time in my life plants have become meaningful to me and thus the word “bloom” evokes that meaning; likewise “traveler” with journey and “ashes” with fire.

    “Because words can evoke schemas, and metaphors map schemas into other schemas, words can prompt a metaphorical understanding.”

    Poets use metaphor to convey meaning. Cognitive scientists study metaphor to comprehend the hidden aspects of the human mind. To understand poetic metaphor one must understand conventional metaphor. To study metaphor is to discover that “one has a worldview, that one’s imagination is constrained, and that metaphor plays an enormous role in shaping one’s everyday understand of everyday events.”

    As creatures we perceive our self as a container having an interior and exterior with a boundary between. We experience our bodies as structured wholes with identifiable parts. We move about in space to achieve our needs and desires; sometimes our path is obstructed by objects that we try to eliminate or move around.

    “Each of these quite basic interactions with the world is generalizable, and each is in fact generalized across a series of other domains. Each of these generalizations is a recurring structure or repeatable pattern by which we are able to understand the world as a unified place that we can make a sense of.”

    Because I could not stop for Death—
    He kindly stopped for me—
    The Carriage held but just Ourselves—
    And Immortality—Emily Dickinson

    Without metaphors for death we could not comprehend this poem easily. Why do we know so many metaphors for death? Winter and other authors inform me that we think with conceptual metaphors because without them we could not comprehend our world.

    Quotes from “A Clearing in the Forest: Law, Life, and Mind” by Steven L. Winter

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    Re: Do we ‘get pissed’ to ‘let off steam’?

    I understood this bit.................'Do we ‘get pissed’ to ‘let off steam’?'
    Then you lost me....sorry.
    I get pissed cos I like it

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    Re: Do we ‘get pissed’ to ‘let off steam’?

    Quote Originally Posted by coberst View Post
    Do we ‘get pissed’ to ‘let off steam’?

    We generally speak about knowledge from a phenomenological (an observable fact or event) perspective; recent developments in neuroscience, however limited, suggest some of the neural bases for conceptualization, which is brain action discernable via brain scan technology

    “Concepts are neural activation patterns that can either be “turned on” by some actual perceptual or motoric event in our bodies, or else activated when we merely think about something, without actually perceiving it or performing a specific action…The most sweeping claim of conceptual metaphor theory is that what we call abstract concepts are defined by systematic mappings from body based, sensorimotor source domains onto abstract target domains.” Quote from “The Meaning of the Body” Mark Johnson

    Words have meaning for us only within a context that is meaningful. At some time in my life plants have become meaningful to me and thus the word “bloom” evokes that meaning; likewise “traveler” with journey and “ashes” with fire.

    “Because words can evoke schemas, and metaphors map schemas into other schemas, words can prompt a metaphorical understanding.”

    Poets use metaphor to convey meaning. Cognitive scientists study metaphor to comprehend the hidden aspects of the human mind. To understand poetic metaphor one must understand conventional metaphor. To study metaphor is to discover that “one has a worldview, that one’s imagination is constrained, and that metaphor plays an enormous role in shaping one’s everyday understand of everyday events.”

    As creatures we perceive our self as a container having an interior and exterior with a boundary between. We experience our bodies as structured wholes with identifiable parts. We move about in space to achieve our needs and desires; sometimes our path is obstructed by objects that we try to eliminate or move around.

    “Each of these quite basic interactions with the world is generalizable, and each is in fact generalized across a series of other domains. Each of these generalizations is a recurring structure or repeatable pattern by which we are able to understand the world as a unified place that we can make a sense of.”

    Because I could not stop for Death—
    He kindly stopped for me—
    The Carriage held but just Ourselves—
    And Immortality—Emily Dickinson

    Without metaphors for death we could not comprehend this poem easily. Why do we know so many metaphors for death? Winter and other authors inform me that we think with conceptual metaphors because without them we could not comprehend our world.

    Quotes from “A Clearing in the Forest: Law, Life, and Mind” by Steven L. Winter
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    Re: Do we ‘get pissed’ to ‘let off steam’?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruv View Post
    I understood this bit.................'Do we ‘get pissed’ to ‘let off steam’?'
    Then you lost me....sorry.
    I get pissed cos I like it
    So did I. thank goodness it;s not just me. I get pissed cos I like it, but not too pissed because I pass out. My wife was having a go at me for drinking baileys by the half pint. It's fattening. So now I drink it by the pint. Just as fattening but I don't care any more.

    posted by oscar
    No, my Doctor just sedates me from time to time.
    Not often enough or for long enough (did I say that out loud?)

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    Re: Do we ‘get pissed’ to ‘let off steam’?

    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    So did I. thank goodness it;s not just me. I get pissed cos I like it, but not too pissed because I pass out. My wife was having a go at me for drinking baileys by the half pint. It's fattening. So now I drink it by the pint. Just as fattening but I don't care any more.

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    Not often enough or for long enough (did I say that out loud?)
    So, your a big girlie who drinks Bailey's ?


    Just watch it Scottish Party of one... I might just throw your bike in the road

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    Re: Do we ‘get pissed’ to ‘let off steam’?

    Here we a classic example of Shaws' (well I'll blame him) dictum - two peoples separated by one language.

    Pissed in the US means angry. Pissed anywhere else in the English-speaking world means something else (which involves alcohol).
    An ye harm none, do what ye will....

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    Re: Do we ‘get pissed’ to ‘let off steam’?

    How are you doing today, coberst?
    Life is a Highway. Let's share the Commute.

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    Re: Do we ‘get pissed’ to ‘let off steam’?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chookie View Post

    Pissed in the US means angry. Pissed anywhere else in the English-speaking world means something else (which involves alcohol).
    All we need to know is, where does Coberst come from ?

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    Re: Do we ‘get pissed’ to ‘let off steam’?

    What you need to know is that the thread title only has anything to do with the actual post insofar as "pissed" and "let off steam" are both metaphors with meaning only to those who already have a basis to decode the metaphor.

    His actual post has nothing whatsoever to do with getting angry, drunk, or expressing your anger.

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    Re: Do we ‘get pissed’ to ‘let off steam’?

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    The title is a set of metaphors and my post is about metaphors. I have been studying SGCS (Second Generation Cognitive Science) for many months and have become convinced that this new paradigm forms the core of a new and penetrating theory of human cognition. Conceptual metaphor is the foundation of this new insight.

    I hope to engage the curiosity of some small percentage of my readers to the extent that they will go to the books to learn what this is all about. A few paragraphs in a forum cannot enlighten the reader it can only, hopefully, lead the reader into going to the books.

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