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    Decline & Breakup Of USA?

    RUSSIAN ANALYST PREDICTS DECLINE AND BREAKUP OF USA
    Tue Nov 25 2008 09:04:22 ET

    A leading Russian political analyst has said the economic turmoil in the United States has confirmed his long-held view that the country is heading for collapse, and will divide into separate parts.

    Professor Igor Panarin said in an interview with the respected daily IZVESTIA published on Monday: "The dollar is not secured by anything. The country's foreign debt has grown like an avalanche, even though in the early 1980s there was no debt. By 1998, when I first made my prediction, it had exceeded $2 trillion. Now it is more than 11 trillion. This is a pyramid that can only collapse."

    The paper said Panarin's dire predictions for the U.S. economy, initially made at an international conference in Australia 10 years ago at a time when the economy appeared strong, have been given more credence by this year's events.

    When asked when the U.S. economy would collapse, Panarin said: "It is already collapsing. Due to the financial crisis, three of the largest and oldest five banks on Wall Street have already ceased to exist, and two are barely surviving. Their losses are the biggest in history. Now what we will see is a change in the regulatory system on a global financial scale: America will no longer be the world's financial regulator."

    When asked who would replace the U.S. in regulating world markets, he said: "Two countries could assume this role: China, with its vast reserves, and Russia, which could play the role of a regulator in Eurasia."

    Asked why he expected the U.S. to break up into separate parts, he said: "A whole range of reasons. Firstly, the financial problems in the U.S. will get worse. Millions of citizens there have lost their savings. Prices and unemployment are on the rise. General Motors and Ford are on the verge of collapse, and this means that whole cities will be left without work. Governors are already insistently demanding money from the federal center. Dissatisfaction is growing, and at the moment it is only being held back by the elections and the hope that Obama can work miracles. But by spring, it will be clear that there are no miracles."

    He also cited the "vulnerable political setup", "lack of unified national laws", and "divisions among the elite, which have become clear in these crisis conditions."

    He predicted that the U.S. will break up into six parts - the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong.

    He even suggested that "we could claim Alaska - it was only granted on lease, after all." Panarin, 60, is a professor at the Diplomatic Academy of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and has authored several books on information warfare.

    What do you think about his prediction?


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    Sorry, but i got there first. I posted a thread entitled 'Gordon Brown buys out America'.. Many a true word spoken in jest it seems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oscar View Post
    Sorry, but i got there first. I posted a thread entitled 'Gordon Brown buys out America'.. Many a true word spoken in jest it seems.
    I'm trying to recall what redeeming value I saw in you.

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    The Hawaiian sovereignty movement might finally get somewhere if that's so.
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    One question. Did this 'leading Russian political analyst' also predict the breakup of the USSR awhile back?

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    Although the state i live in has maintained it's right to secede from the union,

    i don't believe there is any way that the U.S.A. will 'break-up,'

    especially since we seem to be consolidating:

    The NAFTA.

    The combination of Canadian, Mexican and United States currencies into the new Ameros.

    Actually, i see these three countries becoming the United States of North America,

    probably within the next 10 years.

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    Nope, it wont collapse, but it will certainly decline. It will cease to be the free system that it is, socialism is the future of the USA, it'll move to look very much like the EU and in ten years it will mirror it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester View Post
    Nope, it wont collapse, but it will certainly decline. It will cease to be the free system that it is, socialism is the future of the USA, it'll move to look very much like the EU and in ten years it will mirror it.
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    I would say that the Russian professors analysis is based largely on wishful thinking. Given his idea that "Russia could be the financial regulator for Eurasia" that should make it plain he is as much motivated by Russian political dreams as hard economics. Firstly what is Eurasia? Its a Russian concept (Orwell used it once), that China and the EU do not share.

    The reality is this, for all its resources and its military Russia has an economy the size of Spain's, while the EU economy is the largest in the world at 17 Trillion dollars, its hardly going to be dictated to economically by Russia, which may be resource rich, but in terms of its political and financial systems is in the dark ages still.

    America is going to remain a very powerful nation into the future; however, I do think though that the US is in very dire economic straits indeed, and certainly this is going to mean a very sharp decline in the US's relative power compared to everyone else around the world, and its ability to essentially dictate terms to everyone else about things like fighting wars for oil (for SUVs), ignoring climate change, rubbishing Darwin, and rocking for Jesus etc.

    Also Jester, I doubt that the US is going to end up like Europe. You would need about another 2,000 years of proper civilization for that my colonial friend. And equally our European right-wing, market-fundamentalist zealots are going to find it much harder to persuede ordinary Europeans (who are being hammered by this credit crunch as well) that blindly following the old American path to unregulated financial and consumerist self-destruction is the way for the "old continent" to go in future.

    Though American ideas about political liberty, cultural diversity, and personal freedom are going to remain potent, because they are good ideas. What will happen is that Europeans (particularly) are going to have to accept that they will have to start paying up to defend their own interests militarily; as I doubt the Americans are going to do that any more, and why should they?

    The way I see it, you are going to end up with 4 or 5 major regional powers in the future, and the US is still going to be the the world's most powerful nation for the coming decades, (though if they don't sort out their national debt then they will lose even this distinction), the others will be the EU, China, Japan, Russia, and India. Others will hover in around this top tier of world powers, who will dictate world events.
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