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    If you can find an Iraqi writing that life for the average citizen in Iraq is better now than it was under the previous regime you'd perhaps have a justifiable position.

    I can show you the opposite if you like - Iraqis saying that life was better then than now. There are still two million displaced Iraqis living as refugees abroad, for example. Women complain that they can no longer safely work, study or teach as they used to. Secularism in Iraq has disappeared.

    Iraqi GNP remains lower than before the war. Public utilities are backward compared to what was provided by the previous regime. More to the point, there's no Iraqi army yet capable of securing the country's borders and until there is there's no independent Iraq.

    The minimum distinguishing aspect of a country is control of its own foreign policy and taxation, Iraq lacks both. It's still a dependent territory, it's not a nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    If you can find an Iraqi writing that life for the average citizen in Iraq is better now than it was under the previous regime you'd perhaps have a justifiable position.

    I can show you the opposite if you like - Iraqis saying that life was better then than now. There are still two million displaced Iraqis living as refugees abroad, for example. Women complain that they can no longer safely work, study or teach as they used to. Secularism in Iraq has disappeared.

    Iraqi GNP remains lower than before the war. Public utilities are backward compared to what was provided by the previous regime. More to the point, there's no Iraqi army yet capable of securing the country's borders and until there is there's no independent Iraq.

    The minimum distinguishing aspect of a country is control of its own foreign policy and taxation, Iraq lacks both. It's still a dependent territory, it's not a nation.


    Ah there you are Scrooge! You really had me worried there for a while because I was beginning to think you were ignoring my threads!

    So what with this tame response big guy? Wheres the mouth foam ... the anti-American jibes ... the rebuttals?

    Tsk tsk ... I am disappointed in you! Could it be that you have mellowed slightly and that you are not as anti-American as you used to be?

    Oh no it can't be can it? God forbid that you are actually starting to like me!


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    I love the way you shake your ass Chezzie!

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    Hey i thought that was a nice friendly smiling blue face ... but according to these things on the right its called "roll eyes (sarcastic)!


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    The US has won in exactly the same sense that the US won in the South Vietnam war. They're pulling out of a country which hasn't the ability to defend itself.

    The US had a choice, at one stage after the invasion, to reinforce its natural ally the Sunni Ba'athists minus their leadership and re-establish them in complete control before withdrawal leaving them with sufficiently potent armed forces for self-defence against external invasion, or to establish a Shia government before leaving. They chose to leave a Shia government, and one with no capability for self-defence.

    Would you like my best guess? The Shia Iraqi government will juggle its leadership within two years of being in genuine control of Iraq once the US forces have gone and they'll make an economic and defence treaty, quite likely informally, with Iran. Rapprochement on a major scale, that, and very much in both countries' interests. The parallel with the North Vietnamese takeover of South Vietnam should be obvious enough, this time nobody need fire a shot. You know how you'll be able to tell? The establishment of Sharia courts and a change to the constitution in Iraq. Then you can come back to the thread and explain what winning means after it's happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oscar View Post
    Take no offence Ryan. Us Brits have been laughing at your foriegn and economic policey for some years now.
    We'd like to thankyou for voting for Bush twice as it's given the people of Britain much hilarity over the years.
    We can't wait to see what the next one does to screw your country up
    ditto!

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    Re: We Won ... The Iraq War Is Over.

    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    The US has won in exactly the same sense that the US won in the South Vietnam war. They're pulling out of a country which hasn't the ability to defend itself.

    The US had a choice, at one stage after the invasion, to reinforce its natural ally the Sunni Ba'athists minus their leadership and re-establish them in complete control before withdrawal leaving them with sufficiently potent armed forces for self-defence against external invasion, or to establish a Shia government before leaving. They chose to leave a Shia government, and one with no capability for self-defence.

    Would you like my best guess? The Shia Iraqi government will juggle its leadership within two years of being in genuine control of Iraq once the US forces have gone and they'll make an economic and defence treaty, quite likely informally, with Iran. Rapprochement on a major scale, that, and very much in both countries' interests. The parallel with the North Vietnamese takeover of South Vietnam should be obvious enough, this time nobody need fire a shot. You know how you'll be able to tell? The establishment of Sharia courts and a change to the constitution in Iraq. Then you can come back to the thread and explain what winning means after it's happened.


    Getting better but in my opinion definitely not one of your best rebuttals!

    I will most certainly come back to this thread and explain what winning means!


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    Re: We Won ... The Iraq War Is Over.

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    Getting better but in my opinion definitely not one of your best rebuttals!

    I will most certainly come back to this thread and explain what winning means!


    Ryan.
    I thought your post was sarcasm but OMG are you really serious??

    Do you actually believe you have won in Iraq the same as think you won in Vietnam??

    Next, you'll try telling us that you've defeated the Taliban

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    Quote Originally Posted by Touchstone View Post
    Hey i thought that was a nice friendly smiling blue face ... but according to these things on the right its called "roll eyes (sarcastic)!


    Ryan.
    Im given you the sarcasm point cuz yer wasiting yer time here talking to socialist europeans that have been beat down so many times they dont know what victory is.

    I applaude the try though.

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