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    How Would You Feel If You Found Out That The Ancient Egyptians Had Helicopters , Flying Saucers And Other Flying Machines ? Then How Would It Make You Feel To Know That Your Government Knew This . But Never Told You . That Man In Flight Had Existed For Many Thousands Of Years Before The Modern Days Government That Misuse These Science Ever Existed . Well , Don'r Be Shocked , For It Has Been Proven Beyond A Shadow Of A Doubt That The Ancient Egyptian Who Taught The Mayans And The AztecsFlew In Craft , Had Electricity , Gold Plated . Wore Glasses . Brewed Beer . It Has Been Found And Confirmed That None Of The Sciences That We Consider ADVANCEMENTS ARE NEW. And In Fact Television Is A Machine That Is Acting The Part Of Clairvoyance , Or What's Called Remote Viewing . And That Radio Communication Is No More Than The Ability Of A Mystic Or An Egyptian.


    Priest To Tap In To An Indivual's Etheric Wavelength And Receive Messages . The Present Day Media Has Saturated The Television With Psychics . In Every Religion They Are Mentioning SORCERERS , SEERS , TAROT READERS , SOOTHSAYERS , They Constantly Repeat On Many Programs Human Beings , With What They Refer To As Supernatural Abilities . Unsolved Mysteries , Sightings, UFO Diaries , Just To Name A Few, Where They Daily Cover The Media With Incidents That They Can't Explain . Example , Awoman GetsIn A Car Accident With Her Child Beside Her , The Child Is Thrown From The Car . Hits The Pavement , The Vehicle Is Thrown Over . , AndLandOn The Child , The Mother In Panic , Doesn't


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    Related Directly To Supernatural Beings Who May Have Come From Beyond The Stars To This Planet And Bred With Humans , Returned And Left The Humans Gods, Who Possess Superior Powers To The Normal . They May Portray This To You In A Movie , Like Superman To Take Your Attention Off The Possibility Of It Being Real . But As The The Tablets Of Sumeria Are Being Translated And The Writing On The Walls Of Egypt , The Truth Is Coming Out , That Many Human Being Who Walk The Earth Today Are Direct Descendants Of The Egyptian Deities And That These Powers Are There , Merely Waiting To Be Tapped Into .

    They Can't Explain How The Pyramids Were Built And What They Were Used For . Then You Have The Great Lines Of Nazea That Can Only Be Seen By Crafys Flying Above . This Also Can Go On . They Do Not Want You To Peak Into The Realities Of Your Mind AndReddevelop Your Divine Consciousness Or Bring Your Powers To The Forefront Of Your Mind . Which Will Reflect In Your Body And Through Your Body . Thus , Revealing Your Superiority . This Is One Reason Why They Fear Voo - Doo , And Yoruba Of Africa . They Know That The Ancient Africans Were Able To Tap In Through Their Blood To Their Ancestors Who Have By Western Standards Died And ..


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    Throughout History There Have Been Many Common Myths And Legends Of Flying Machines Or Devices , The Familar Flying Carpets Of Ancient Arabia ;Biblical Figures Such As Ezekie And Solomon Flying From Place To Place , And The Magical Chariots Etc .. These Myths And Legends Would Have Probably Remained As Such In The Minds Of Many ; But Not For Long . In South Cairo In Abydos , At The Seti 1 Ancient Egyptian Temple , Scientist And Archeologist Have Discovered Wall Carving Of GUESS WHAT ? ..There A Pictures On The Wall's In Egypt That LQQk Like Modern Military Helicopters . Tanks Jets Aircrafts And What Some Suggest -A Satelite Dish , And Submarine All Existed In Ancient

    Egypt Which Makes The Mind Bolter Of Today A FACT ! Yes There Were Helicopters In Ancient Egypt . So Much For The Legends !
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    re: Helicopters In Ancient Egypt ( Fact Or Fiction ???? )

    It was even before Christ that Greeks took a keen interest in the culture and history of people living on the banks of the Nile River. In 1848, one of numerous archeological expeditions working in Egypt discovered strange hieroglyphs at the height of about ten meters right above the entrance to the Seti Temple in Abydos. The walls were covered with the strange signs that greatly puzzled researchers. The only thing the researchers realized at once was that they had discovered some images of strange mechanisms that nobody ever saw before.

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    It is still unknown what exactly an artist living about 3,gu000 years ago engraved on the walls. The archeological expedition carefully copied the mysterious signs on the temple walls, and the hieroglyphs gave rise to endless disputes and heated debates among Egyptologists. As a result, majority of Egyptologists arrived at a conclusion that there were just four strange objects drawn in different variations. Unfortunately, researchers of the 19th century failed to understand what ancient Egyptians actually drew on the temple walls. Like any sensation the mysterious Abydos hieroglyphs were absolutely forgotten some time later.

    In about 150 years, the respectable Arab newspaper Al-Sharq Al-Awsat published several sensational photos taken in the Amon Ra Temple in Karnak. At that, the newspaper asked its readers whether they believed that ancient Egyptians knew about battle aviation. The question would have seriously puzzled readers under some different conditions. But the photos the newspaper published demonstrated the bas-reliefs of an ancient temple built under Seti I who ruled 3,000 years ago; and on the bas-reliefs an ancient artist engraved a battle helicopter with a distinct rotor and a tail unit. Nearby, the artist depicted several other aircrafts astonishingly resembling contemporary supersonic fighters and heavy strategic bombers!

    After the sensational publication of the photos it became clear why Egyptologists of the 19th century could not tell what was depicted on the walls of the temple in Abydos. Indeed, the researchers did not know how helicopters and aircrafts look.

    Pharaoh Seti I was always known as the most famous and successful regents in Ancient Egypt who actively expanded his estates and had to repulse attacks of enemies. Do the published sensational pictures mean that the Pharaoh even employed battle aviation to fight enemies?

    Well-known Egyptologist Alan Alford left to the Nile banks to study the Abydos mystery. The researcher studied the mysterious hieroglyphs and made sure that what seemed absolutely incredible was in fact quite real. Alford told journalists that ancient Egyptians had depicted a real helicopter model as if they made the engravings from life.

    So, researchers got two almost identical sets of drawings from Karnak and Abydos which seemed be not accidental at all. Skeptics recollected that “Bee” was one of the names of Pharaoh Seti I and stated that the mysterious drawings were in fact attempts of an ancient artist to draw a bee. They would not believe that Egyptians might know about helicopters.

    At the same time, world-famous ufologist Richard Hogland declared that the mysterious drawings just proved his theory saying Egyptians descended from Martians who had once visited this planet. The researcher explains that Martians chose Ancient Egypt for landing because of its landscape wonderfully resembling the Martian one.

    But the ufologist failed to explain the origin of a submarine which was also engraved nearby the battle helicopter on the walls of the temple in Abydos. And the drawing was incredibly detailed. And researchers had to confess they were still too far from solving the mystery of the hieroglyphs and the frescos. It is perfectly clear that there are no seas on Mars, and the drawings of a submarine thus could not be made by “descendants of Martians” as Hogland called Egyptians as they had no notion what a submarine may be.

    Click on this link to see a photo galery of Egyptian mysteries

    In the past years of the 20th century, many of Mars researchers actively supported Hogland's theory. They believed that failures of automated interplanetary space stations to land on Mars were closely connected with the mysterious hieroglyphs discovered on the walls of ancient temples. The researchers stated that millions of years ago a unique anti-missile shield was created around Mars for safe protection from curious and aggressive unwanted guests. When ufologists are told that some automated vehicles actually landed Mars and even took photos revealing there is no civilization on the planet, they say that terrestrials will be able to see only what Martians want and let us know about them.

    Famous Egyptologist Bruce Rowles gives another interesting hypothesis about the origin of the strange hieroglyphs. He says there were no interplanetary expeditions from other star systems to this planet in the old times. He supposes that Egyptian pagan priests knew many of nature secrets. It is a proven fact that 3,000 years ago Egyptians made the first batteries and generated electricity. Bruce Rowles also supposes that pagan priests in Ancient Egypt could look to the future where they quite probably saw battle helicopters, aircrafts and submarines. But Rowles' hypothesis is as unstable as the theory of Hogland.

    Today, the disputes about the mysterious hieroglyphs are still heated. Some researchers believe that Egyptians knew aeronautics secrets and could fly but later the secrets were lost. But others insist that enthusiasts are too imaginative if they see modern helicopters, aircrafts and submarines in Egyptian engravings and bas-reliefs. Let us forget the heated disputes and see what history says on the issue.

    Popular scientific literature says that Egyptian Pharaoh Tutankhamen died 3,300 years ago as a result of an air crash. Historian William Deutch made the sensational statement and also said that ancient Egyptians could go up to the clouds with balloons inflated with hot air and with primitive gliders. Such flights were available for the royal family and nobility only. Deutch says that many of the royal family in Ancient Egypt including Tutankhamun himself died with their legs broken and numerous wounds as if they tragically died as a result of an aircraft crash. The researcher is sure that strange objects depicted in discovered ancient engravings and drawings were in fact the first flying devices. Deutch even made many models of such aircrafts and found out that many of them could soar in the air. William Deutch says that aeronautics first appeared in Egypt and then spread to the territories currently known as Tibet, India, Mexico, Turkey, China and Guatemala, in other words those territories where air flows could hold aircrafts in the skies.

    An elegant 4-centimeter item which was obviously used as an amulet or a pendant made not later than the first millennium B.C. is known as “the Columbia gold airplane”. As of today, researchers have found 33 items of the type on the territories of Columbia, Peru, Costa Rica and Venezuela. All of them are different on the outside but have the same principle of airplane construction with the horizontal and vertical keel empennage. Ancient artists often made them look like creatures covered with scales and with glowing eyes. But biologists of the world admit that the gold items cannot be identified with any known creature of fossil or contemporary fauna on the planet.

    Contemporary aerotechnics experts believe that “the gold airplane” might be a model of an aerospace aircraft with an opening cockpit; a model of a freight aircraft for landing water for one-time use only and even a model of a sub-aquaplane. But in fact, experts could discern an airplane in the gold model long ago.

    In 1956, “the gold airplane” was among exhibits of the Pre-Columbian Gold exhibition in Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York. The deltoid wing and the vertical plane of the tail unit atypical of birds drew attention of American aircraft designers. The directors of the exhibition allowed testing the ancient “aircraft” in a wind tunnel. It turned out that the gold model could soar at supersonic speed, the issue which was widely studied in that epoch. The ancient model helped aircraft designers of Lockheed create a supersonic plane, the world's best for that period

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    re: Helicopters In Ancient Egypt ( Fact Or Fiction ???? )

    Hey guys, its me again, here I go! Now don't take this as a personal insult, I am just going to make a few points from my own perspective.

    If the Egyptians had access to battle helicopters, submarines, and other weapons of 20th century warfare, why did they not take over the entire Mediterannian basin? In fact why not the world, who could have stopped them? The phonecians? The Babylonians? How were they defeated in the 2nd Millenium BC by the Hittites (was it perhaps because the hittites had iron swords as opposed to the Egyptians' who only used bronze ones).

    You would imagine that if your facing an army armed with iron swords, bows, and sling shots somewhere on a plain in Syria, and you had ability to create attack helicopters and submarines, (as well as all the other weapons that such technology would provide you with) that battle wouldn't last very long, would it?

    As well of course for a civilization to posses such things, they would also have needed to had known how to power them, been able to source all the exotic materials for them, and be able to design them based on the principals of powered flight, fabricate them industrially in helicopter factories, and submarine shipyards. That would have taken a level of scientific and industrial power that Europe did not develop until it had already conquered the world and gained access to most of its resources.

    Essentially they would have needed to have had an industrial/technological and scientific revolution in the same way that Europe did from the 16th century onwards. Even at that it took 300 years to go from Newton to Kitty hawk, a period during which with just cannon, muskets, and wooden sailing ships, Europeans took over the entire planet. But Egyptians somehow had these technologically advanced weapons but decided for the most part to remain Bronze age farmers in every other respect, and never use them against anyone else.

    They didn't have compasses, clocks, pens, iron weapons, paper, coal, oil, or even the arch, yet they had submarines? They couldn't navigate their tiny wooden ships out of the sight of shorelines and did not have a navy, but they had submarines? They could fabricate produce Iron swords yet they could build and maintain aluminium attack helicopters 4,000 years ago??

    The Egyptians had an incredible civilization, but it was a bronze age one, that was wiped out by later Iron age ones. This would not have happened if they had the same technological prowess as modern day Europe. They would have been invunerable, to anything and anyone else.

    Again, please look at the historical evidence in its entirety, not the allure of the mystery of 4 strange hieroglyphs on a stone. If the Egyptians had had such things 4,500 years ago, the whole world would now speak a version of Ancient Egyptian and there would be Egyptian style pyramids in every corner of the globe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oscar View Post
    It was even before Christ that Greeks took a keen interest in the culture and history of people living on the banks of the Nile River. In 1848, one of numerous archeological expeditions working in Egypt discovered strange hieroglyphs at the height of about ten meters right above the entrance to the Seti Temple in Abydos. The walls were covered with the strange signs that greatly puzzled researchers. The only thing the researchers realized at once was that they had discovered some images of strange mechanisms that nobody ever saw before.

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    It is still unknown what exactly an artist living about 3,gu000 years ago engraved on the walls. The archeological expedition carefully copied the mysterious signs on the temple walls, and the hieroglyphs gave rise to endless disputes and heated debates among Egyptologists. As a result, majority of Egyptologists arrived at a conclusion that there were just four strange objects drawn in different variations. Unfortunately, researchers of the 19th century failed to understand what ancient Egyptians actually drew on the temple walls. Like any sensation the mysterious Abydos hieroglyphs were absolutely forgotten some time later.

    In about 150 years, the respectable Arab newspaper Al-Sharq Al-Awsat published several sensational photos taken in the Amon Ra Temple in Karnak. At that, the newspaper asked its readers whether they believed that ancient Egyptians knew about battle aviation. The question would have seriously puzzled readers under some different conditions. But the photos the newspaper published demonstrated the bas-reliefs of an ancient temple built under Seti I who ruled 3,000 years ago; and on the bas-reliefs an ancient artist engraved a battle helicopter with a distinct rotor and a tail unit. Nearby, the artist depicted several other aircrafts astonishingly resembling contemporary supersonic fighters and heavy strategic bombers!

    After the sensational publication of the photos it became clear why Egyptologists of the 19th century could not tell what was depicted on the walls of the temple in Abydos. Indeed, the researchers did not know how helicopters and aircrafts look.

    Pharaoh Seti I was always known as the most famous and successful regents in Ancient Egypt who actively expanded his estates and had to repulse attacks of enemies. Do the published sensational pictures mean that the Pharaoh even employed battle aviation to fight enemies?

    Well-known Egyptologist Alan Alford left to the Nile banks to study the Abydos mystery. The researcher studied the mysterious hieroglyphs and made sure that what seemed absolutely incredible was in fact quite real. Alford told journalists that ancient Egyptians had depicted a real helicopter model as if they made the engravings from life.

    So, researchers got two almost identical sets of drawings from Karnak and Abydos which seemed be not accidental at all. Skeptics recollected that “Bee” was one of the names of Pharaoh Seti I and stated that the mysterious drawings were in fact attempts of an ancient artist to draw a bee. They would not believe that Egyptians might know about helicopters.

    At the same time, world-famous ufologist Richard Hogland declared that the mysterious drawings just proved his theory saying Egyptians descended from Martians who had once visited this planet. The researcher explains that Martians chose Ancient Egypt for landing because of its landscape wonderfully resembling the Martian one.

    But the ufologist failed to explain the origin of a submarine which was also engraved nearby the battle helicopter on the walls of the temple in Abydos. And the drawing was incredibly detailed. And researchers had to confess they were still too far from solving the mystery of the hieroglyphs and the frescos. It is perfectly clear that there are no seas on Mars, and the drawings of a submarine thus could not be made by “descendants of Martians” as Hogland called Egyptians as they had no notion what a submarine may be.

    Click on this link to see a photo galery of Egyptian mysteries

    In the past years of the 20th century, many of Mars researchers actively supported Hogland's theory. They believed that failures of automated interplanetary space stations to land on Mars were closely connected with the mysterious hieroglyphs discovered on the walls of ancient temples. The researchers stated that millions of years ago a unique anti-missile shield was created around Mars for safe protection from curious and aggressive unwanted guests. When ufologists are told that some automated vehicles actually landed Mars and even took photos revealing there is no civilization on the planet, they say that terrestrials will be able to see only what Martians want and let us know about them.

    Famous Egyptologist Bruce Rowles gives another interesting hypothesis about the origin of the strange hieroglyphs. He says there were no interplanetary expeditions from other star systems to this planet in the old times. He supposes that Egyptian pagan priests knew many of nature secrets. It is a proven fact that 3,000 years ago Egyptians made the first batteries and generated electricity. Bruce Rowles also supposes that pagan priests in Ancient Egypt could look to the future where they quite probably saw battle helicopters, aircrafts and submarines. But Rowles' hypothesis is as unstable as the theory of Hogland.

    Today, the disputes about the mysterious hieroglyphs are still heated. Some researchers believe that Egyptians knew aeronautics secrets and could fly but later the secrets were lost. But others insist that enthusiasts are too imaginative if they see modern helicopters, aircrafts and submarines in Egyptian engravings and bas-reliefs. Let us forget the heated disputes and see what history says on the issue.

    Popular scientific literature says that Egyptian Pharaoh Tutankhamen died 3,300 years ago as a result of an air crash. Historian William Deutch made the sensational statement and also said that ancient Egyptians could go up to the clouds with balloons inflated with hot air and with primitive gliders. Such flights were available for the royal family and nobility only. Deutch says that many of the royal family in Ancient Egypt including Tutankhamun himself died with their legs broken and numerous wounds as if they tragically died as a result of an aircraft crash. The researcher is sure that strange objects depicted in discovered ancient engravings and drawings were in fact the first flying devices. Deutch even made many models of such aircrafts and found out that many of them could soar in the air. William Deutch says that aeronautics first appeared in Egypt and then spread to the territories currently known as Tibet, India, Mexico, Turkey, China and Guatemala, in other words those territories where air flows could hold aircrafts in the skies.

    An elegant 4-centimeter item which was obviously used as an amulet or a pendant made not later than the first millennium B.C. is known as “the Columbia gold airplane”. As of today, researchers have found 33 items of the type on the territories of Columbia, Peru, Costa Rica and Venezuela. All of them are different on the outside but have the same principle of airplane construction with the horizontal and vertical keel empennage. Ancient artists often made them look like creatures covered with scales and with glowing eyes. But biologists of the world admit that the gold items cannot be identified with any known creature of fossil or contemporary fauna on the planet.

    Contemporary aerotechnics experts believe that “the gold airplane” might be a model of an aerospace aircraft with an opening cockpit; a model of a freight aircraft for landing water for one-time use only and even a model of a sub-aquaplane. But in fact, experts could discern an airplane in the gold model long ago.

    In 1956, “the gold airplane” was among exhibits of the Pre-Columbian Gold exhibition in Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York. The deltoid wing and the vertical plane of the tail unit atypical of birds drew attention of American aircraft designers. The directors of the exhibition allowed testing the ancient “aircraft” in a wind tunnel. It turned out that the gold model could soar at supersonic speed, the issue which was widely studied in that epoch. The ancient model helped aircraft designers of Lockheed create a supersonic plane, the world's best for that period




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    In 1898 a curious winged object was discovered in the tomb of Pa-di-Imen in north Saqqara, Egypt dated to about 200 BC. Because the birth of modern aviation was still several years away, when the strange artifact was sent to the Cairo Museum, it was catalogued and then shelved among other miscellaneous items to gather dust.

    Seventy years later, Dr. Kahlil Messiha, an Egyptologist and archaeologist, was examining a Museum display labeled bird figurines. While most of the display were indeed bird sculptures, the Saqqara artifact was certainly not. It possessed characteristics never found on birds, yet which are part of modern aircraft design. Dr. Messiha, a former model plane enthusiast, immediately recognized the aircraft features and persuaded the Egyptian Ministry of Culture to investigate.

    Made of very light sycamore the craft weighs 0.5 oz. with straight and aerodynamically shaped wings, spanning about 7 inches. A separate slotted piece fits onto the tail precisely like the back tail wing on a modern plane.

    A full-scale version could have flown carrying heavy loads, but at low speeds, between 45 and 65 miles per hour. What is not known, however, is what the power source was. The model makes a perfect glider as it is. Even though over 2,000 years old, it will soar a considerable distance with only a slight jerk of the hand. Fully restored balsa replicas travel even farther.

    Messiha notes that the ancient Egyptians often built scale models of everything familiar in their daily lives and placed them in their tombs, temples, ships, chariots, servants, animals and so forth. Now that we have found a model plane, Messiha wonders if perhaps somewhere under the desert sands there may yet be unearthed the remains of life-sized gliders.





    The 15 February 1998 issue of The Augusta Chronicle featured an article by Randall Floyd titled "Flight may have begun before Wrights:"


    In 1969, while sorting through a box of old exhibits in the basement of the Cairo museum, Egyptologist Khalil Messiha found what appeared to be a 2,200-year-old model airplane, complete with wings, landing gear and an aerodynamically designed body.

    The object had been found in a 2,000-year-old tomb near Saqqara in 1898. The archaeologist was stunned. What would a perfectly scaled model of an airplane be doing in a tomb of such antiquity?

    His conclusion: "Apparently the ancients possessed long-forgotten technologies," he said. Egypt's Ministry of Culture agreed. A committee set up to investigate the matter concluded that the 7-inch-long model, built of light sycamore wood and weighing only 1.11 ounces, seemed to incorporate principles of aircraft design that had taken modern engineers decades of experimentation to discover and perfect.

    Moreover, they found, the glider worked. More than two millennia after its construction, it still sailed easily through the air at only the slightest flick of the hand.





    The above articles assert that the model is the pinnacle of flightworthiness. But is it? Martin Gregorie of Harlow, Essex, a designer, builder, and flyer of Free Flight model gliders with more than 30 years experience, thinks not:


    The requirements for a Free Flight model glider to be automatically stable in flight are that it should:


    Balance somewhere between 25% and 60% of the wing chord back from the leading edge. The wing chord is the average width of the wing, measured from front to back. A glance at the bird shows that the body is made from a single piece of wood whose proportions are such that the balance point is at or behind the trailing edge of the wing. The bird's head region has clearly never had a weight attached to it or buried within it. Such a weight would be needed to bring the balance point forward into the range given above.


    Have a horizontal tail surface of around 20 - 25% of the wing area. Despite some claims to the contrary, no such tail surface currently exists and there are no traces of a tail plane's attachment point on the bird's fin or rear body. The fin is the vertical tail surface that forms the rear of the bird's body.


    Be shaped to provide spiral stability. The presence of a large fin at the rear of the body must be balanced by a dihedralled wing if the bird is to glide without tipping over sideways into an terminal spiral dive. A dihedralled wing is one with the tips raised above the center of the wing like virtually all passenger planes and model aircraft. The bird has the opposite wing arrangement. Its wing tips are drooped to give anhedral, which would only serve to increase the bird's spiral instability.

    As can be easily seen, the bird meets none of these requirements for flight, so it is quite unlikely that it ever flew or that accurate replicas could fly.




    Is the Saqqara artifact meant to represent an airplane? This seems unlikely especially in view of the absence of any evidence of the considerable support technology that would of necessity be associated with flight industry (such as wheels, engine machinery, parts manufacture, fuel production, etc.) It would seem strange indeed if the Egyptians flew around in high-tech aircraft and left only a single wooden model (and, some would claim, a few glyphs carved above a temple doorway) as evidence of their airborne activities. What, then, might the model actually represent?

    Most Egyptologists think that the artifact is a bird with outstretched wings, though the tail is quite dissimilar to any known bird's tail. Though it is not apparent in the accompanying photographs, painted details of the eyes and beak are still observable on the model. There also remains a bit of paint on the upper edge of the tail, and it is possible that more detail was originally provided but has worn away over time. There is also a graceful curve on the bottom of the model delineating the anatomical transition of the body to the head and the tail, very much in the manner of a bird in flight. But there is still the matter of the peculiar shape of the tail.

    Below are details of the tops of the masts from three reliefs depicting boats, all used in the Opet festivals. The first is the masthead of a boat of Ramesses III, the second is the mast of a boat in the reign of Herihor, and the third is the masthead of the ship of state Mery Amun. All of these reliefs are found in the Temple of Khonsu at Karnak and date to the late New Kingdom.




    Could the Saqqara artifact have served as a sort of weathervane to indicate wind direction on a boat, practical or ceremonial? The vane-like tail might suggest such a use. Given its size, it appears unlikely that it would have been set atop a mainmast, however, as the reliefs above depict. It is also possible that the artifact served as a child's toy, though its design would not allow it to glide like a bird if hurled through the air.

    In any case, of the two theories that the artifact is intended to represent either a bird or an aircraft, the former is the only one tenable based on the corpus of evidence that is known to exist.

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    Ques: What Is A Pyramid?

    Scientist For Years, Have Been Trying To Figure Out And Find Out:

    » Exactly How And Why Were The Pyramids Built?

    » How Did The Ancient Egyptians Carry The Blocks Of Stones,
    With Some Weighing Over 15 Tons To The Pyramid Site?

    » What Tools Were Used To Build The Pyramid?

    * How Was It Possible For Our Ancient Ancestors To Align The
    Pyramids Cardinal Points To True West, East, North And South?

    All Of This Was Done, Which Baffled The Modern Scientists, Archaeologists, And Engineers
    Who Still To This Very Day And Trust Me, All Of Them Have Tried With All Of Their So-Called
    High Technologies And They Still Can't Duplicate The Techniques Of The Great Pyramid Of
    Khufu At Giza. Countless Authors Have Written Books About The Pyramid, One Of The Best,
    Is A Book Called "The Orion Mystery" Unlocking The Secret Of The Pyramid, Written By
    Robert Bauval And Adrian Gilbert By Crown Publishers, Inc. In New York City And "The
    Message Of The Sphinx," A Quest For The Hidden Legacy Of Mankind, By Graham
    Hancock And Robert Bauval.


    Ques: What Is A Pyramid?

    Ans: That Is Where We Will Begin, By Defining The Word Pyramid Which According To The
    American Heritage Dictionary Means:

    Pyr-A-Mid (PiR's-MiD) N. 1. A. A Solid Figure With A Polygonal Base And Triangular
    Faces That Meet At A Common Point. B. Something Shaped Like This Polyhedron. 2.A. A
    Massive Monument Of Ancient Egypt Having A Rectangular Base And Four Triangular
    Faces Culminating In A Single Apex, Built Over Or Around A Crypt Or Tomb. B. Any Of
    Various Similar Constructions, Especially A Four-Sided Mayan Temple Having Stepped
    Sides And A Flat Top Surmounted By Ceremonial Chambers. 3. The Transactions Involved
    In Pyramiding Stock. 4. Anatomy. A Structure Or T^art Suggestive Of A Pyramid In Shape.
    [Latin Pyramis, Pyramid-, From Greek Puramis, Probably From Egyptian Pimar.}

    The Word Pyramid Comes From The Greek Pyramis (Plural Pyramides); Thought To Have Been
    Derived From The Ancient Egyptian Per-Em-Us, A Term Used In A Mathematical Papyrus To
    Denote The Vertical Height Of A Pyramid. In The Greek Language, The Word Pyra (repot)
    Means "Fire" Or "In Darkness" Or "Illumination That Reveals Something Or Makes Things
    Visible In Darkness". Midos (ntSoq) Means "Measures". The Greeks Had Derived These
    Words From The Phoenician Word Purim-Middoh, Which Meant "Light-Measures."
    Therefore, The Pyramids Themselves Mean Something That Constitute Measured Revelations Or
    Revelations Through Measurements. The Name Pyramid As Given To These Great Structures In
    Egypt Was Symbolic, Because The Word Is Really Greek And Not Egyptian As I Have Shown.
    The Word Pyramid Comes From The Prefix Pyr Meaning "Fire" And A-Mid Meaning
    "Surrounded By, In The Middle Of The Ancient Egyptian Term For Pyramid Is Mir



    Ques: Why Were The Pyramids Of Ancient Egypt Built?

    Ans: The Pyramids Of Ancient Egypt Were Used To Make Connection With The Anunnaqi
    Eloheem Or Neteru, Our Ancestors, Who Once Dwelt In The Orion Star Constellation. They
    Were Imitating The Civilization That Was Found In Heaven Or Orion, Which In Greek Is
    (Ouranos) As Found In (opccvoq). Orion Is Where The Anunnaqi Emigrated To, Because Of The
    Dwindling Atmosphere On The Planet Rizq, The 8th Planet In The 19th Galaxy Called Illyuwn.
    This Was Due To The Plutonium Bomb Or Shield Depleter That Was Placed There By The
    Disagreeable Reptilian Tarnush Or Zuen. (Refer To The Holy Tablets, Chapter One Tablet 4).
    That's Why All Of The Great Pyramids Line Up Perfectly With The Stars Of Orion. The Pyramid
    Attributed To Pharaoh Khufu Lines Up With Al-Nitak Which Is Known As Zeta Orionis. The
    Pyramid Attributed To Pharaoh Khafre Lines With Al-Nilam, Epsilon Orionis And The Pyramid
    Attributed To Pharaoh Menkure Pyramid Lines Up With Mintaka Which Is Also Known As
    Delta Orionis. All Three Stars Form The Belt Of Orion, Which Is On A Slant And Points To The
    Dog Star, Sirius, Which Muhammadans Also Stole And Placed In Their So Called Holy Book
    Koran 53:49

    The Shaft Or Tunnel Of The Queen's Chamber In The Great Pyramid Aligned Perfectly With The
    Sirus Star, Called Sothis By The Greeks. It Was Also Considered The Star Of Aset (Isis), Just As
    Orion Was Equated To (Usir) Osiris. The Sirius Star Is Found In The Canis Major Constellation
    Just Below Orion, And Is The Brightest Star In The Sky. Also The Rising Of The Sirius Star
    Was The Beginning Of The Nile Flood, And Also Coincided With The Summer Soltice In A Past
    Epoch, It Was Therefore The New Year For The Egyptians. The Dogons, An African Tribe Of
    Mali, Also Recognized This Binary Star, And Perform A Ceremonial Dance Called The Bado
    Rite, Which Occurs Every 60 Years Called A Sigui. This Dance Is Symbolic Of The Complete
    Rotation Of Sirius B Around Sirius A, As It Rotates On It's Own Axis Around Itself. Every Nine
    Thousand Years Sirius A And Sirius B Criss-Cross In Front Of Each Other, Thereupon Sending
    Energies To The Planet Earth. The Dogon Knew About This And Tracked The Movement Of
    Sirius B, A White Dwarf Star. This Is A Puzzle To Modern Scientist Because It Is Not Visible
    By The Naked Eye And Was Just Discovered In 1862 A.D. And Photographed By The Modern
    Astronomer Irving Lindenblad In 1970 A.D. With A Very Powerful Telescope, And Still It Was
    Barely Visible. The Egyptians Were The Greatest Astronomers Of Ancient Times And Knew
    About Sirius C Which Was Linked With Anubus, Even Before The Predynastic Time Of 3200
    B.C.

    The Olmecs, Sumerians, And Egyptians, Who Are All Moors, Built Thousands Of Pyramids And
    Mounds All Over The World. Most Of Them Lined Up At 33 Degrees, 32 Degrees, The Tropic
    Of Cancer, Which Also Lines Up With Orion. This Also Includes The Pyramids And Mounds In
    America, Then Called Atlan Or Amexem Built By The Olmecs, Long Before The Five Families Of
    Europeans Who Are: The Irish, French, Polish, English, And Scottish Came Here. These
    Pyramids Were Used For Many Things Such As: Landing Sites For Our Ancestors, And
    Descendants From Beyond The Stars, Called The Anunnaqis, And Also Astronomical Use.
    Pyramids Hold Alot Of Power, Which You Will Learn About As You Read On.
    What Most People Don't Overstand Is That Pyramids Are Electromagnetic Antennas, That Create
    Standing Columnar Waves, To Prevent The Wobbling Of The Earth. After The Destruction Of
    Atlan (oik**) The Original Name Of Atlantis, The Lost Continent Of North American, Renamed
    By The Greeks, Atlantis. The Earth Needed To Be Balanced. The Pyramids At Giza Were Built
    To Balance The Magnetic Fields And Land Masses Of The Earth After The Axis Shift, Of 23
    Degrees, Which Takes Place Every 50,000 Years Called An Epoch. The Axis Needle Completes
    A Cycle Every 24,000 Years, Called An Equinox, And Every 50,000 Years, The Crust Of The
    Earth Shifts, Like The Skin Of A Grape.
    Pyramids Are Also A Tool To Help Humans Advance Into A Higher State Of Consciousness.
    Around Everybody, There Is An Aura Or In Nuwaubic, Halut (TiLC LTi), An Electromagnetic
    Field. The Aura Has A Negative (-) Electrical Charge. If You Study And Advance Into Our


    Fraternal Order The Ancient & Mystic Order Of Melchizedek (A.M.O.M) And Overcome
    Matter, The Individual Must Change His Or Her Matter, To A More Positive (+) Electrical
    Charge. Thus The Pyramid Is Also A Tuning Device To Help Humims Children Of Neteru
    (Nature) To Achieve This Change.


    Ques: What Is The Light That I See On Top Of The Pyramid?

    Ans: The Light That You See Is Actual Energy Emitted From The Top Of The Pyramid, The Cap
    Stone Of The Pyramid And Is Called Standard Columnar Wave Or SCW. This Double Helix Is
    Generated By The Sides Of The Pyramid Bending Light And Creating A Vortex. This Is The
    Energy That Runs The Universe. The Ancient Symbol Was Called Neh-Eh, Meaning "Eternity."
    For Additional Information

    Nature, Is A Word Taken From Neteru, Ptahite/Egyptian For Beings Of The Skies, Who Had
    The Real Truth Of The Knowledge Of The Pyramid And How They Deal With Tachyon Energy.
    The Pyramid Refocuses Light Into Its Sub-Atomic Particles Which We Call Tachyon Energy.
    The Term Tachyon Energy Is Used Because It Is The Best Term That Describes This Energy.
    The Luciferians Will Try To Tell You That Tachyon Is "Hypothetically" A Kind Of Energy, Don't
    Be Fooled. When You Hear The Word Tachyon, Phonetically You Hear, Tack On Meaning "To
    Stick On." Tachyon Energy Is The Glue Of The Universe. It Is The Bond Between The
    Spiritual And Physical Realms Of Reality. If Humans Are To Advance Into The Spiritual World,
    Then They Must Learn To Overstand Tachyon Energy. The Pyramids Serves As Antennas, Which
    Refocus Light Into The Three Magnetic Fields Of Tachyon Energy, This Gives Humans An
    Opportunity To Study This Energy.
    With Tachyon Motion, All Motions Have A Path Length Of 240° Degrees. Unlike The Electron
    Spin, There Is No Centrifugal Force, Thus No Gravity. Tachyons Are Of Nature Wherefore They
    May Pass Through Matter And Or Other Fields Without Being Affected Or Affecting Such Fields
    Of Matter. If You Were To Look At The Rain Dance Of The Hopi Native Americans Called
    (Indians), They Got This From The Dogon Tribe Of Mali, Their Original Ancestors, Who Got It
    From Beings They Call Nommos, Who The Hopis Call Kachina, You Would Find The Same
    Clocking Action Of The Tachyon Pairs Is Used In Their Rain Dance And The Dances Of The
    Whirling Dervishes. The Native Americans Would Use This Action To Build Standing Columnar
    Waves. By Building These Standings Waves We, The Native Americans Could Cause Rain; A
    Secret We Got From Our Ancestors From Nuba, Through The Deity Hapi, Same As Hopi, The
    Son Of Bar (Horus). The Dogon Of Mali, And The Yoruba Of Nigeria, And Many Others All
    Use This Principle.

    This Can Also Be Seen With The Sixty Year Dogon Dance Which Was Mentioned Previously.
    Its Purpose Is The Renovation Of The World, On Their Clock Of Destiny. When It Is Time For
    The Sigui, The Hogon, Elders In The Tana Tono Shelter At Yougo Draw A Symbol On The
    Rock With Red Ochre, Which Represents A Kanaga Mask. This In Turn Represents The Deity
    A in ma. A Hole Is Made In The Ground Below It Symbolizing The Sigui, And Thus Amma Is
    The Egg Of The World, As Ra Was The Primeval Egg. Many Ancient Cultures Speak Of This
    Black Egg Or Black Dot.

    The Hole Is Also Interpreted As The Hole Which Must Be Dug To Put Seeds In. From This
    Viewpoint The Holes Are Arranged In Series Of Three Connoting Three Siguis, Placed Beneath
    The Sign Of Three Seeds, After Which They Are Named. Thus The Sigui At The Beginning Of
    This Century Was Called The Erne Sigi, The "Sorghum Sigui," The Next One Will Be Called
    Yu Sigi, The "Haricot Sigui". There Is Another Figure Painted On The Facade Of The
    Sanctuaries Which Reveals Rather More Specific Data It Is Called Sigi Lugu, Meaning
    Calculation Of The Sigui, And Consists Of A Line Of Vertical Chevrons; The Notches Of Which
    Are Painted Alternately Black, Red, And White. These Are The Secret Colors Of The Dogon,
    The Hopi, And The Nuwaubians.
    The Results Of The Dancing Is A Charged Column. The Same Standing Wave Column Appears
    In A Typical Storm Or In The Electrical Process Used To Produce A Capicator. The Clocking
    Motion Of The Dance Pattern, Is Similar To The Motion Of The Clocking Of The
    Electromagnetic Fields Of The Atom. What Happens Over The Dancing, Is That A Band Of
    Energy Is Formed. This Is The Same Pattern That, It Was Said, Was Used By The Israelites To
    Bring Down The Walls Of Jericho, An Event Which Was Never Historically Confirmed.. In The
    Seven Days Of Marching Around The Walls, The Israelites Produced A Standing Columnar Wave
    That Came Crashing Down On The City When The Trumpets Were Blown. This Is Why The
    Walls Of Jericho Were Blown Out, As If There Was A Big Explosion In The City, An
    Unconfirmed Story.


    Another Important Reason Why The Pyramids Were Built Was To Help Humans Change Thier
    Halut Or Aura To A More Positive Frequency. The Pyramid Is An Electrical Capacitor Designed
    To Help The Individual Achieve This. It Is A Tufted-Tank Antenna Acting As An
    Interdimensional Communication Device. 1 he Pyramid Refocuses Light Into The Reverse Spiral
    Of The Electrons, Which Is The Positive Field. The Pyramid Is An Interdimensional
    Communication Device Given To Humans, So That They May Learn Of The Positive Frequency,
    And Make Contact With Their Oversoul And Beings. As Mentioned Previously, The Pyramid Is
    An Antenna Designed To Refocus Light Into The Two Different Electron Spirals, The Negative
    Field Of The Physical, And The Positive Field Of The Spiritual. This Energy Which Is Seen As A
    Light, Forms A Double Helix, Which If Commonly Seen As The Caduceus, Or Staff Of Tehuti,
    (Thoth) From Whom The Greeks Relate To Their Deity Hermes. Hermes's Staff Is A Winged
    Staff With Two Serpents Twined About It. Also The Greek Mythological Deity, Mercury Holds
    It, And The Hindus Call It Kundalini. This Staff Was Used By The Brotherhood As A Measure
    Of Light. The Staff Is Also Used As The Medical Symbol Of Today, Because It Symbolizes
    Healing Power. Moses Used It As Seen In (Exodus 4:3).

    It Can Also Be Seen As A Double Helix, Climbing The Sword, Which Has The Wings Of The
    Egyptian Deity Isis Or Aset, A Symbol Also Used By Sumerians. In The Past, The Graduates Of
    The Pyramid Were Physicians, Dedicated To Balancing The Ailments Of The Earth, Whether
    They Were Medical Or Political. History Has Recorded Them As The Alchemists Or Magi,
    Alchemists From El-Kham, Or Kemet, In Aramic/Hebrew, The Name For Ham, Son Of Noah
    Genesis 5:32, And Egypt. The Name Magi Is Also From Magus Or Magic (Matthew 2:1).
    The Caduceus Which Is A Measurement Of Light Shows The Two Directions That Electrons Can
    Spiral Around The Nucleus Of The Atom. Its Purpose Is To Show The Degree Of Light In The
    Body. Tehuti Says In The Kyballion That There Are Three Great Planes Of Conciousness. The
    Pure Energy Fields In Which The Particles Of The Atoms Spiral Are Called Tachyon Pairs. The
    Tachyon Pairs Carry Electromagnetic Charges Which Are 1. (+) Positive, And (+) Positive, 2. (+)
    Positive (-) Negative, And 3. (-) Negative (-) Negative. These Three Charges Make Up The
    Three Great Planes Of Consciousness. In Ancient Egyptian Drawings You Find Pictures Of Men
    Holding Coils. These Coils Were Tuned To The Reverse Flow Of Vortex Energy Generated
    Between Sites.


    The Ancient Ones Knew Of The Knowledge Of Energies And Atoms Long Before Modern
    Science Came Onto The Scene. They Knew Enough To Design An Electromagnetic Antenna
    Called A Pyramid. This Pyramid Was Used As The House Of Initiation Into The Higher Levels
    Of Consciousness,For Thousands Of Years. The System Was The Same As Used In America In
    The 1930's A.D. By A Student Of The Mystery System, A Venusian, Named Edward
    Leedskalnin, Who Worked With Another Venusian Named Nikola Tesla
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