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    Forced Abortions

    Obama science czar Holdren called for forced abortions
    'Comprehensive Planetary Regime could control development, distribution of all natural resources'

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    The man President Obama has chosen to be his science czar once advocated a shocking approach to the "population crisis" feared by scientists at the time: namely, compulsory abortions in the U.S. and a "Planetary Regime" with the power to enforce human reproduction restrictions.

    "There exists ample authority under which population growth could be regulated," wrote Obama appointee John Holdren, as reported by FrontPage Magazine. "It has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society."

    Holdren's comments, made in 1977, mirror the astonishing admission this week of U.S. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who said she was under the impression that legalizing abortion with the 1973 Roe. v. Wade case would eliminate undesirable members of the populace, or as she put it "populations that we don't want to have too many of."

    In 1977, when many scientists were alarmed by predictions of harmful environmental effects of human population growth, Holdren teamed with Paul R. Ehrlich, author of "The Population Bomb," and his wife, Anne, to pen "Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment."

    Holdren's book proposed multiple strategies to curb population growth, and, according to the quotes excerpted by FrontPage Magazine, advocated an international police force to ensure the strategies were carried out.

    "Such a comprehensive Plenetary Regime could control the development, administration, conservation, and distribution of all natural resources, renewable or nonrenewable," Holdren and the Ehrlichs reportedly wrote. "The Planetary Regime might be given responsibility for determining the optimum population for the world and for each region and for arbitrating various countries' shares within their regional limits. ... The Regime would have some power to enforce the agreed limits."

    The website Zombietime.com has posted photos of text excerpts from "Ecoscience," referencing even further strategies from Holdren and the Ehrlichs, including compulsory adoption of children born to teenage mothers, forced sterilization and other government-mandated population control measures.

    A former Teresa and John Heinz professor of environmental policy at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, Holdren was appointed as the director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy and confirmed on March 20 to assume the position informally known as Obama's "science czar."

    Holdren's track record shows a trend of alarmist viewpoints on scientific issues, including a statement made in 1973 that the U.S. population of 210 million at the time was "too many, and 280 million in 2040 is likely to be much too many." In response, Holdren recommended "a continued decline in fertility to well below replacement should be encouraged, with the aim of achieving [zero population growth] before the year 2000."

    The current U.S. population is approximately 304 million.

    After the perceived "crisis" of population growth faded, however, Holdren began sounding the alarm over global climate change. In the 1980s Holdren warned of human-caused ecological disasters resulting in the deaths of a billion people before 2020, and as recently as 2006, Holdren warned that sea levels could rise as much as 13 feet by the year 2010.

    WND reported Holdren's participation in a panel predicting a dire future caused by global warming and calling for a global tax on greenhouse gas emissions in a report to the U.N.

    Holdren's activism for greater government involvement drew a negative reaction from other scientists in the form of an open letter to Congress, WND reported.

    "This is the same science adviser who has given us predictions of 'almost certain' thermonuclear war or eco-catastrophe by the year 2000, and many other forecasts of doom that somehow never seem to arrive on time.

    "The sky is not falling; the Earth has been cooling for 10 years, without help. The present cooling was NOT predicted by the alarmists' computer models, and has come as an embarrassment to them.

    "The finest meteorologists in the world cannot predict the weather two weeks in advance, let alone the climate for the rest of the century. Can Al Gore? Can John Holdren? We are flooded with claims that the evidence is clear, that the debate is closed, that we must act immediately, etc, but in fact THERE IS NO SUCH EVIDENCE; IT DOESN'T EXIST."

    During his confirmation, at a hearing before the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee, Holdren was grilled about his history of predicting calamity and advocating radical measures in response.

    Sen. David Vitter, R-La., expressed concern at the hearing that Holdren's alarmist positions violated a statement made by President Obama when he nominated the Harvard professor:

    "The truth is that promoting science isn't just about providing resources – it's about protecting free and open inquiry," Obama said. "It's about ensuring that facts and evidence are never twisted or obscured by politics or ideology."

    In response, Holdren sought to differentiate between alarmist "predictions" and simply "descriptions" of where America could wind up if it continues on its current path:

    "The motivation for looking at the downside possibilities, the possibilities that can go wrong if things continue in a bad direction, is to motivate people to change direction. That was my intention at the time." Holdren explained. "I think it is responsible to call attention to the dangers that society faces so we will make the investments and make the changes needed to reduce those dangers."

    Regarding his more recent forecasts of environmental doom, Holdren affirmed, "We continue to be on a perilous path with respect to climate change, and I think we need to do more work to get that reversed."

    Nonetheless, Vitter persisted in questioning Holdren's potential political ideology behind advocating government-mandated population control:

    "I'm scared to death that you think this is a proper function of government," Vitter said. "Do you think that determining optimal population is a proper role of government?"

    "No, Senator, I do not," Holdren answered.

    Holdren then explained that current policies, including those that promote health care and opportunities for women, as well as education, naturally create families more likely to have fewer children, thus solving the potential problems of population growth.



    Seems the "Anointed One" has a plan for world population control......to keep us healthy, ensure everyone has a chance at education......wait......are we in China???
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    What a totally dreadful tosser, why on earth are you allowing gits like that into your government processes?

    The Nominations Hearing of the Full Committee on Thursday, February 12, 2009 is archived as a webcast at U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, & Transportation

    The people putting the questions seem, if you'll pardon the observation, less competent than even my local city council, and that's not something I ever expected to find myself writing. They're the best your political selection system can come up with?

    I note that Dr Holdren hasn't yet caused the deaths of over a million Iraqis, at least his hands are still clean. If he's going to mass-murder anyone it really ought to be within his own constituency, not abroad. He has a mandate but it doesn't extend beyond the Homeland though neither, of course, did those war criminals running your previous administration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    What a totally dreadful tosser, why on earth are you allowing gits like that into your government processes?

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    If i recall correctly, you were the one hailing Obama during the election campaigns. If i also remember correctly, you likened him to Kennedy. Now it's all going horribly wrong isn't it?

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    If i recall correctly, you were the one hailing Obama during the election campaigns. If i also remember correctly, you likened him to Kennedy. Now it's all going horribly wrong isn't it?
    You make it up as you go along. My "what you've got there is Jack Kennedy reborn with some extra plus points" was a direct reply to cars' "hope his character is as good as his speech making!!!", not an endorsement of his presidential potential. I spent three solid years before the election arguing consistently on Forumgarden in favour of a third Republican term in the White House beyond 2008 and saying a Democrat victory would be a catastrophe for world interests. For most of that time I had a Rudy Giuliani In '08 sig button at the bottom of every post I made.

    Dr Hulton strikes me as a shockingly unwise choice for Assistant Presidential Advisor for Science and Technology given his predilection for unsustainable extreme edge-of-the-envelope disaster projections and his Dr Strangelove no-holds-barred musings on final solutions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    You make it up as you go along. My "what you've got there is Jack Kennedy reborn with some extra plus points" was a direct reply to cars' "hope his character is as good as his speech making!!!", not an endorsement of his presidential potential. I spent three solid years before the election arguing consistently on Forumgarden in favour of a third Republican term in the White House beyond 2008 and saying a Democrat victory would be a catastrophe for world interests. For most of that time I had a Rudy Giuliani In '08 sig button at the bottom of every post I made.

    Dr Hulton strikes me as a shockingly unwise choice for Assistant Presidential Advisor for Science and Technology given his predilection for unsustainable extreme edge-of-the-envelope disaster projections and his Dr Strangelove no-holds-barred musings on final solutions.
    No Spot, just a good memory. I also remember you saying how America was blessed for having Obama. Maybe not your exact words but i certainly remember the threads of your extolation of the 'New Messiah'. I also remember your umbrage at anyone who dared to critise Obama in the election Campaigns as well as your disgust for the Bush administration.
    It is not a 'shockingly unwise choice' as you you put it but more of a newly elected President failing and renegading on every promise that he made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oscar View Post
    No Spot, just a good memory. I also remember you saying how America was blessed for having Obama. Maybe not your exact words but i certainly remember the threads of your extolation of the 'New Messiah'.
    Perhaps you'd like to use Advanced Search, username spot, and show me a few instances. Easily done and it would bring a bit of much-needed clarity to your posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oscar View Post
    a newly elected President failing and renegading on every promise that he made.
    PolitiFact | The Obameter: Obama's Campaign Promises that are Promise Kept

    You'd do far better to make verifiable statements rather than obvious propaganda lies.
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    Gawd help us all.......their at it on this thread too !!!!!
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    Gawd help us all.......their at it on this thread too !!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    What a totally dreadful tosser, why on earth are you allowing gits like that into your government processes?

    The Nominations Hearing of the Full Committee on Thursday, February 12, 2009 is archived as a webcast at U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, & Transportation

    The people putting the questions seem, if you'll pardon the observation, less competent than even my local city council, and that's not something I ever expected to find myself writing. They're the best your political selection system can come up with?

    I note that Dr Holdren hasn't yet caused the deaths of over a million Iraqis, at least his hands are still clean. If he's going to mass-murder anyone it really ought to be within his own constituency, not abroad. He has a mandate but it doesn't extend beyond the Homeland though neither, of course, did those war criminals running your previous administration.
    Whether you believe they were "war crimes" or not is your opinion. As they say, the last that want to fight wars are the ones who hvae to do it. I agree with what we did in Afhganistan, not Iraq; however we cannot undo what is done but we can change what might happen in the future.........thus the posting of what the "Anointed Ones" czars are trying to do. We do learn our lessons...let me rephrase that, most of us learn lessons from the past, hopefully the other 75% of this country will.
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