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    I don't get how it is deemed as taking the michael. Say fireworks were banned tomorrow, attention will shift to something else that could cause injury in the wrong hands, it's the way it goes, eventually we will be living in a society with no free rights at all, that's the point, where does it all stop, at what point are individuals going to take responsibility for themselves and their actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betty Boop View Post
    I don't get how it is deemed as taking the michael. Say fireworks were banned tomorrow, attention will shift to something else that could cause injury in the wrong hands, it's the way it goes, eventually we will be living in a society with no free rights at all, that's the point, where does it all stop, at what point are individuals going to take responsibility for themselves and their actions.
    yes BB you are having a discussion about it ,,, spot is basically taking the **** out of me, his way of typing in my opinion is patronising and belitlling towards me. Thats what i think ,, and now i am flouncing. Betty i am all for everyone having their own opinions and no they do not have to be the same as mine ,, i like a healthy debate and i do manage to have some without flouncing in other threads,, i think you have probably seen,, as have others ,,

    I dont like the way spot has spoken to me ,, thats my problem. I will deal with it. Thank you though for your input and in discussing and bringing up some good points


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    Quote Originally Posted by kazalala View Post
    yes BB you are having a discussion about it ,,, spot is basically taking the **** out of me, his way of typing in my opinion is patronising and belitlling towards me. Thats what i think ,, and now i am flouncing. Betty i am all for everyone having their own opinions and no they do not have to be the same as mine ,, i like a healthy debate and i do manage to have some without flouncing in other threads,, i think you have probably seen,, as have others ,,

    I dont like the way spot has spoken to me ,, thats my problem. I will deal with it. Thank you though for your input and in discussing and bringing up some good points
    I assume he is coming from the same stance as me, he just words it differently, my two penneth is I don't see it as belittling, I'm sorry that you do, PM him and ask?

    I guess my take on all this is that society as a whole would end up paying for this foolish boys behaviour. I bet he also did not realise what the consequences of his actions would be, unfortunately, that is of course if that's what started the fire, it's still a 'maybe' at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazalala View Post
    no. I really do not care to answer your questions, or to take this topic in the direction you would like. Im finshed here talk about whatever you like .
    He's merely pointing out precedent.

    If they hadn't used fireworks they'd have used Molotov cocktails. Gallons of petrol. Throwing polyurethane couches with "faggots" on them ffs!

    It wasn't the fireworks, it was the decisions having been made.

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    Re: Fatal Cornwall blaze blamed on banger yobs

    Honestly we've all done "humorous" things as children. I can't help but wonder how sick these kids feel after such an event having transpired. I sincerely doubt they meant for this outcome to unfold.

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    Re: Fatal Cornwall blaze blamed on banger yobs

    Quote Originally Posted by kazalala View Post
    Fatal Cornwall blaze blamed on banger yobs - mirror.co.uk

    How can the governement allow shops to sell fireworks to the general public???? It is beyond me it really is,,, they are as dangerous as a knife or a gun and yet we can just go buy them in a shop without any requirements.
    I hate them Kaz and personally id prefer them to just be sold to organised council firework displays. Its now Saturday and and the fireworks are still going off 10 to the dozen. My dog is petrified, he hasnt eaten since Thursday and is either hiding behind the sofa or in the den the kids have made out of cushions and blankets by the tumble dryer.

    I was never a lover of fireworks before we had our dog but I hate them all the more now. Wouldnt be so bad if they were just let off one night at an organised event but no their going off left right and centre.. In the morning ill be picking up all the empty firework shells off the garden and drive too!!!

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    Once upon a time, many many years ago, 5th November was called Guy Fawkes night. With great gusto a lot of children would set about making a rag doll type of Guy Fawkes, sit it in a push chair or lean it against a fence at the side of the road where they lived, and called out 'Penny for the Guy!'. The lucky ones would collect a bit of money from passers by. Some of the youngsters would save this money so they could go with mum or dad to buy a few fireworks, so they could have a little display in their back garden on 5th November.

    Now when I say 5th November, I mean ONE evening - the 5th November. The only alteration to this one date was if the 5th fell on a Sunday. then the celebration would be held the day before (Saturday) the 4th November.

    I can't remember whether there were any rules and regulations about the sale or the letting off of fireworks back then, as I was only very young, but all the noise, explosions, bonfires etc. happened on the ONE day. Not a few weeks before that date, not every night, not days and days after that date. Children got as excited about Guy Fawkes night as they were about Christmas !

    There would be bonfires and fireworks lit in a lot of gardens, back then, and people would make hot dogs to eat and roast chestnuts, baked potatoes in the bonfire etc. etc. It was a magical night !

    Everybody knew that 5th November would be noisy, and would be prepared. They would be able to make arrangements for their pets. to minimise distress. They knew it would be for only the ONE night, and that the noise would not go on for very long either - it was usually quiet by about 10 o'clock.

    Firework night these days is an absolute free-for-all, with explosions occuring every night for a couple of weeks before the actual 5th, and several weeks on many nights after the 5th. Pets are terrified, and I shudder to think what the poor 'wild' creatures and the animals in the field feel.

    People, I'm afraid, nowadays have made this occasion an anti-social and in some cases a very dangerous activity.

    I'm also afraid to say that it is mostly down to the younger element of society, who seem to be totally unaware that they are messing with explosives that can injure and even kill people. They treat it all as a huge joke to throw lit fireworks at each other, or worse (as per the news item in the OP).

    If 5th November was, in fact, just on the 5th November like all those years ago, I'm sure that nobody would argue about it. The children would be able to enjoy the celebration much better. But people are not like that any more are they? Responsibility seems to be a rare commodity. Consideration for others is no longer in a lot of peoples' minds. There is also the element of 'I just want to cause as much discomfort to people as I can, cos it gives me a buzz'

    This is why so many people are 'fed up' with all the noise, all the yobs running amok on the streets shooting rockets at each other, causing people not to dare to venture out of their houses. Causing people extreme concern for their poor pets, night after night after night.

    I'm afraid 'Bonfire Night' has become something which causes more fear and apprehension than fun.

    That is why I, personally, believe that all firework displays should now be on organised and licenced sites, and yes including all the hassle from Elf and Sufty. Not on general sale to the public, because a lot of the public are just not responsible enough.

    Sad, but true, the days have nearly gone now when a family can have a 'Bonfire Night' party in their back gardens. Thanks to the yob element in our society.
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    Re: Fatal Cornwall blaze blamed on banger yobs

    Quote Originally Posted by G#Gill View Post
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    I'm afraid 'Bonfire Night' has become something which causes more fear and apprehension than fun.

    That is why I, personally, believe that all firework displays should now be on organised and licenced sites, and yes including all the hassle from Elf and Sufty. Not on general sale to the public, because a lot of the public are just not responsible enough.

    Sad, but true, the days have nearly gone now when a family can have a 'Bonfire Night' party in their back gardens. Thanks to the yob element in our society.
    I'm assuming there is quite a contingency of people that are appealing to your government about the possibility of ridding England of "Bonfire night".

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    Guy Fawkes is one of my heroes and they burn his effigy in some barbaric ritual from the dark ages

    I agree with Kaz's anger and the several points that Spot made also G#Gill's sentiments will strike a chord with many others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    Guy Fawkes is one of my heroes and they burn his effigy in some barbaric ritual from the dark ages

    I agree with Kaz's anger and the several points that Spot made also G#Gill's sentiments will strike a chord with many others.
    Could we not do with a more efficient Guy Fawkes today? Oops
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