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    Assassination

    This is from General Order 100, written at the request of Abraham Lincoln in 1863 and issued to US armed forces. Are the current rules "relapses into barbarism", as he says?
    Art. 148. The law of war does not allow proclaiming either an individual belonging to the hostile army, or a citizen, or a subject of the hostile government, an outlaw, who may be slain without trial by any captor, any more than the modern law of peace allows such intentional outlawry; on the contrary, it abhors such outrage. The sternest retaliation should follow the murder committed in consequence of such proclamation, made by whatever authority. Civilized nations look with horror upon offers of rewards for the assassination of enemies as relapses into barbarism.

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    Its a good question. I really don't know right now because so much has changed since that Code was written. I think its much more important to get the dangerous people because of the available means to do so much damage to innocent people (Not that what the U.S. is doing is really much better).

    I think guerrilla tactics have changed war itself and therefore the rules governing it.
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    Guerrilla tactics weren't employed in the Civil War? I beg to differ.

    The trouble is, you're choosing to trust your Government both in its assessment of danger and it's choice of targets. Some of those on the US Death Lists are American citizens; I only mention that because it might have some bearing for US posters here. There's no right to trial, not even a declaration of charges, just assassination and a far greater "collateral damage" - the deaths of bystanders - in the process.

    Do you really trust your Government to the extent of waiving trials whenever they declare it expedient?
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    Re: Assassination

    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    This is from General Order 100, written at the request of Abraham Lincoln in 1863 and issued to US armed forces. Are the current rules "relapses into barbarism", as he says?
    Art. 148. The law of war does not allow proclaiming either an individual belonging to the hostile army, or a citizen, or a subject of the hostile government, an outlaw, who may be slain without trial by any captor, any more than the modern law of peace allows such intentional outlawry; on the contrary, it abhors such outrage. The sternest retaliation should follow the murder committed in consequence of such proclamation, made by whatever authority. Civilized nations look with horror upon offers of rewards for the assassination of enemies as relapses into barbarism.

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    No more a "relapse into barbarism" than soldiers used as cannon fodder and in the present napalm, present nuclear & present 21st high tech ability to slaughter people en masse----definitely not barbaric.

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    I expect Guerrilla tactic were used during the Civil War but not as the formal method of warfare itself. Theres no front in this so called war.

    I'm not sure a trial with an absentee defendant is much different than trusting the government. But no I don't trust any government in that situation.
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    Perhaps Honest Abe would have regarded all those as relapses into barbarism, Lon. Lord knows he'd have had reason to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahso! View Post
    I'm not sure a trial with an absentee defendant is much different than trusting the government. But no I don't trust any government in that situation.
    I think my minimum definition of "trial" would be a knowledge of the charges, on the part of the defendant, and the voice of defence counsel to answer them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahso! View Post
    I expect Guerrilla tactic were used during the Civil War but not as the formal method of warfare itself.
    Bushwhacker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia both Union and Confederate. It sounds pretty formally tied to the armies themselves, to me.

    "In most areas, irregular warfare operated as an adjunct to conventional military operations. The most famous such "partisan ranger" (to use the title adopted by the Confederate government in formally authorizing such insurgents) was Col. John Singleton Mosby, who carried out raids on Union forces in the Shenandoah Valley and northern Virginia. Partisan rangers were also authorized in Arkansas [...] The conflict with Confederate bushwhackers everywhere rapidly escalated into a succession of atrocities committed by both sides".
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    Yes but one side or the other could cause the cessation of those activities with a formal surrender or win, its not like that anymore, its all Guerrilla warfare with this current situation. I doubt there will ever be any formal anything with this.
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    That's what you get when you spend 42% of the world's arms budget on your forces. Nobody can fight you any other way, but you none the less need to be sent home beaten or you'll just carry on empire-building. The Viet Cong managed it. Cuba managed it. Iran's managed it. Now Pakistan is managing it.
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