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    Having more stats for threads

    Currently under the threads their are 2 stats; # Replies, and # Views. Is it possible to have more detailed stats as to like

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    # Replies
    -# Replied by # members

    I think this will help navigate through the forum a little quicker by allowing you to skip the threads where just 1 member is replying to his/her own thread, or help those threads which have are by subject/wording/and who created them entice certain members to view and reply to them. If there is a way to increase the information about threads I think it will help navigate the garden on top of navigation by subject style already in place.

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    Re: Having more stats for threads

    There are no statistics gathered on how many different logged-in members have viewed a thread, nor even on how many discrete IP addresses have viewed a thread. The increased load on the database would be significant if that were to be recorded.

    The number of members replying to a thread is shown currently by clicking on "Replies" and totalling the lines returned. The advantage of clicking is that is shows the number of posts made by each member who's contributed to the thread. We could do the count inside the search module (that's the bit of code which displays the Recent Posts) but it would increase the data access workload on the server by perhaps a factor of ten. That's a major allocation of the server to just changing "Replies:142" into :Replies(15):142" which would baffle most users anyway. Adding half again to the length of the page to put the extra information onto a third line isn't really a desirable outcome either.

    Clicking on "Reply:" gives you more information than just how many members have posted in the thread, it breaks down the weighting and tells you who they are. I think it's who they are which counts most in whether it's an interesting thread or not.

    There are very few members who regularly post repetitively into a thread rather than alternately in the form of a discussion, if you exclude the Journals where it's a necessity. Once you eliminate Dutch and Truthbringer, who do you have left?
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    Re: Having more stats for threads

    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    There are no statistics gathered on how many different logged-in members have viewed a thread, nor even on how many discrete IP addresses have viewed a thread. The increased load on the database would be significant if that were to be recorded.

    The number of members replying to a thread is shown currently by clicking on "Replies" and totalling the lines returned. The advantage of clicking is that is shows the number of posts made by each member who's contributed to the thread. We could do the count inside the search module (that's the bit of code which displays the Recent Posts) but it would increase the data access workload on the server by perhaps a factor of ten. That's a major allocation of the server to just changing "Replies:142" into :Replies(15):142" which would baffle most users anyway. Adding half again to the length of the page to put the extra information onto a third line isn't really a desirable outcome either.

    Clicking on "Reply:" gives you more information than just how many members have posted in the thread, it breaks down the weighting and tells you who they are. I think it's who they are which counts most in whether it's an interesting thread or not.

    There are very few members who regularly post repetitively into a thread rather than alternately in the form of a discussion, if you exclude the Journals where it's a necessity. Once you eliminate Dutch and Truthbringer, who do you have left?
    Pahu, and Mickel though Mick is a little better at conversation, Bahgdad where ever he went liked to hear himself talk or in this case read his own threads though he lliked to debate and belittle a lot more than Mick or Pahu who don't even respond to anything but themselves, then there are also a good number of those who start the religious threads though since the creation of the "is the bible a lie" thread they have died down.

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    Re: Having more stats for threads

    Anyone with "el" at the end of their name can perhaps be predicted to be Nawubian and extremely full of idiosyncratic words, so they're excused because Malachi Z York allowed them.
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    Re: Having more stats for threads

    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    We could do the count inside the search module (that's the bit of code which displays the Recent Posts) but it would increase the data access workload on the server by perhaps a factor of ten. That's a major allocation of the server to just changing "Replies:142" into :Replies(15):142" which would baffle most users anyway. Adding half again to the length of the page to put the extra information onto a third line isn't really a desirable outcome either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    This is my favorite part. Do it again!
    I bought a computer today, off eBay. I'm at another desk cautiously tailoring its hardware before the distribution I'm intending to install on it gets released. I've swapped a 500GB drive in which I set aside a year ago as a long-term backup, it's done what it was meant to, it's time it went back to work. I'm musing over whether to use a 64-bit operating system or not. It's not a simple decision.

    So I'm wandering back here to grab a coffee and check FG and what do I get? Taunted, that's what I get. I tried hard to answer a tech Q with as non-tech a reply as would give a sensible answer, I might just as well have whistled Lilliburlero which is something I've tried hard to avoid over the years.

    Pah.
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    Re: Having more stats for threads

    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    I've swapped a 500GB drive / I'm musing over whether to use a 64-bit operating system or not
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    I need a cigarette.
    Do you know how to securely erase a drive, before you pass it out of your possession? I thought I did but it takes the best part of a day, it's called Darik's Boot And Nuke. It turns out I was only part-way right.

    There's an outfit in California who practically test these things from a position of knowing what to look for. There's also an inbuilt secure erase command built into every desktop PC disk made in the last ten years. Getting at the erase command has been almost unbelievably difficult, it's as though Microsoft actively want people not to have a way of securing their old disks. I've no idea why there's not just a click-option under Accessories / System Tools.

    Anyway. That page at the Center for Magnetic Recording Research, University of California, San Diego is worth bookmarking. For one thing they provide a simple DOS utility to access the secure erase triggers, for another they tell you the background to secure erasing. I'm not going to use their program but I was very pleased to read their paper.
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    From the upper tier of the Leppings Lane End of the Hillsborough Stadium, I watched the events of that day unfold with horror.
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    Re: Having more stats for threads

    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    Do you know how to securely erase a drive, before you pass it out of your possession? I thought I did but it takes the best part of a day, it's called Darik's Boot And Nuke. It turns out I was only part-way right.

    There's an outfit in California who practically test these things from a position of knowing what to look for. There's also an inbuilt secure erase command built into every desktop PC disk made in the last ten years. Getting at the erase command has been almost unbelievably difficult, it's as though Microsoft actively want people not to have a way of securing their old disks. I've no idea why there's not just a click-option under Accessories / System Tools.

    Anyway. That page at the Center for Magnetic Recording Research, University of California, San Diego is worth bookmarking. For one thing they provide a simple DOS utility to access the secure erase triggers, for another they tell you the background to secure erasing. I'm not going to use their program but I was very pleased to read their paper.
    Why is that better than the commonly available software (?CCLEANER?) that will block over-write all unused areas of a drive. It sounds like the inbuilt "enhanced" command does exactly the same function but for all areas of the drive (so delete all files first?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryn Mawr View Post
    Why is that better than the commonly available software (?CCLEANER?) that will block over-write all unused areas of a drive. It sounds like the inbuilt "enhanced" command does exactly the same function but for all areas of the drive (so delete all files first?).
    Running a free-space wipe is a good way of wiping free-space, yes. What it will miss is those few areas which have one-time user data but got marked as bad blocks, for example. It would also be a great deal slower. As the people at the Center for Magnetic Recording Research point out, users are more likely to run something that takes three hours than one taking a day and a half, and when you're looking at 1TB drives that's what wiping involves.

    The solution (again discussed on their site) is whole disk encryption performed by the disk itself, and they're arriving on the market. Secure deletion of the entire content is a ten-second replacement by the drive controller of the encryption key by a new one. The key never goes out of the drive so it's easy to wipe, it's short and the whole drive content becomes meaningless without it, you just have a drive in need of a quick-format.
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    The watch of your vision has become reasonable today.

    England's troubles will increase until the bishops open Joanna Southcott's box.
    It’s normal. You must provoke. You must insult the belief of all monotheists. You must make fun of the belief of all monotheists.
    From the upper tier of the Leppings Lane End of the Hillsborough Stadium, I watched the events of that day unfold with horror.
    When the flowers want to oxygen and nutrition, or you’re a wedding or party planner, I will help you too much.
    Write that word in the blood

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