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    Re: Should Alcohol be banned ?

    I wish there were easy answers to the alcohol problem.
    I have dealt with it at so many levels over my time on Earth.

    I have decided that I don't care about those drinkers that will destroy their lives, as long ans their behavior does not threaten others.
    When they take the wheel of a car or truck while drinking, then I draw the line.

    I have cleaned up far too many accidents involving drunks, and been to too many funerals of friends and family killed by drunk drivers.

    One item of interest, Statistics show that 90% of deaths caused by drunk drivers are caused by people who have had more than 3 drinking related offenses while driving. Many are driving while their license has been suspended or revoked.

    I offer the following penalties for drunk driving
    1st offense - 6 month Suspension of license except for transportation to and from place of employment, attendance in a counseling center, and 6 months community service.
    2nd offense- 6 months to 1 year jail, Loss of driving privileges for 1 - 3 years (Beginning at release from jail), $1000 fine.
    3rd offense - Summary firing squad at the site of the violation.
    4th offense - N/A there will be no 4th offense.

    Seriously, history shows that Prohibition, or "the War on Drugs" will not solve the problem.
    Education might help a bit, and some folks will eventually climb out of the holes they dig for themselves.
    The rest are probably lost causes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    I wish there were easy answers to the alcohol problem.
    I have dealt with it at so many levels over my time on Earth.

    I have decided that I don't care about those drinkers that will destroy their lives, as long ans their behavior does not threaten others.
    When they take the wheel of a car or truck while drinking, then I draw the line.

    I have cleaned up far too many accidents involving drunks, and been to too many funerals of friends and family killed by drunk drivers.

    One item of interest, Statistics show that 90% of deaths caused by drunk drivers are caused by people who have had more than 3 drinking related offenses while driving. Many are driving while their license has been suspended or revoked.

    I offer the following penalties for drunk driving
    1st offense - 6 month Suspension of license except for transportation to and from place of employment, attendance in a counseling center, and 6 months community service.
    2nd offense- 6 months to 1 year jail, Loss of driving privileges for 1 - 3 years (Beginning at release from jail), $1000 fine.
    3rd offense - Summary firing squad at the site of the violation.
    4th offense - N/A there will be no 4th offense.

    Seriously, history shows that Prohibition, or "the War on Drugs" will not solve the problem.
    Education might help a bit, and some folks will eventually climb out of the holes they dig for themselves.
    The rest are probably lost causes.
    Good post Thank you.

    As far as I am concerned, anyone who get behind the wheel of the car knowing they have been drinking Is an arrogant potential murderer. Their vehicle becomes a weapon.

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    Taking away DRIVER'S LICENSE for two years on very first offense and if there is a repeat offense after two years take away for 5 years.
    We have strict laws for DUIs here in Washington State one of them is losing your license. It simply doesn't work, if someone wants to drink and drive they will do it.

    Maybe we need to ban alcohol and legalize marijuana? When you stay stoned all day you don't drink and drive. Alcohol is far more dangerous than weed.

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    Re: Should Alcohol be banned ?

    Binge drinking is a cultural thing, the use of alcohol is very different in france and italy from what it is in the UK and scandanavian countries. Maybe it's to do with dark nights and cold climates, on the other hand the romans were appalled at rthe drunkenness of the celts and made much comment on it so maybe it's our tribal heritage. There are all sorts of reasons why we are drunkards. Prohibition doesn't work as the american experience shows and they are still paying the price for that particular attempt at social engineering - One of the early achievements of the chrisrtian right in america.

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    The ensuing casualties of a black market may out-weigh the casualties of medical related problems to abusers, cost to the NHS, deaths on the roads, alcohol related violence etc etc.
    Apart from the rise in organised crime and criminals becoming heroes to a population that found themselves criminalised for doing something they didn't view as being wrong if they were found with alcohol on them there was also a rise in alcohol related death and injury, blindness etc, - the harm badly made or doctored alcohol can do is far worse than the stuff we can buy legally. A lot of people died, had barin injuries or went blind during prohibition from drinking bootleg liquor.

    I remember 10 o'clock closing times with people knocking back two or three drinks before the pubs close and then rolling out pissed out of their brains, that practice is another one of the reasons binge drinking became so prevalent. We still do it, all the pubs empty at the same time causing chaos wagging your finger and saying bad boy don't do that doesn't work nor would banning it. It's also a major industry - making millions unemployed is never a good idea.

    Personally I think we are too soft on drunk drivers, at least the culture has changed so it's less acceptable but you are sober when you have the first drink you shouldn't take the car with you if you are going to drink. I would ban them every time. I have no sympathy for someone that bleats they need the licence for work - so do I don't drink and drive, I know people that have been done a couple of times I would ban those ones for life. It doesn't help when you have celebrities on the interview circuit telling how they got over their struggles with alcohol and drugs and are portrayed as people wh9 have come through a dark time in their lives, perhaps they have but many do and don't become alcoholics- they should be seen as the pathetic self destructive individuals they really are. Yes I do know it is a drug and is addictive for some people, so is nicotine and chocolate and I have no sympathy for smokers a=or spotty fat people either.

    It is a cultural thing, I've never been a heavy drinker and getting blotto is not my idea of fun but the pressure to drink is enormous from people who see drinking as part of a good night out. Prohibition won't work it's a stupid idea as is raising the age to 21, it's right up there with those who believe banning the sale of contraceptives will stop people having sex while still teenagers.

    Why anyone would think it is a good idea completely escapes me.

    If you want to win a war destroy the economic strength of your enemy - legalising drugs would bankrupt the criminal fraternity overnight and the tax revenue raised would go a long way to finance rehabilitation and education programmes and improve the health of the nation. I've never taken drugs, not that I wasn't in the kind of environment or didn't have the opportunity to get hold of them I knew enough not to experiment, peer pressure is a tremendous thing. We tend to portray taking drugs as somehow cool.

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    gmc ... We still do it, all the pubs empty at the same time causing chaos

    Please excuse me from your 'we'.

    I have every sympathy for an alcoholic and a drug addict because It Is an addiction which Is an Illness.

    I abhor all alcohol and narcotics Including skunk and weed. I do not go into pubs, I do not drink at home, avoid night clubs like the plague and socially, I am pleased most venue's sell coffee these days. When I am out socially and I order a coffee whilst friends are getting the beers In, I have even been asked before If I am a recovering alcoholic because to drink alcohol seems to be the norm socially. Then I ask them weather they want that pint of beer or need It? I'm usually met with a blank expression.
    I do have a Baileys Irish cream at Christmas and maybe a couple of red wines with my Christmas dinner but that's It. I have no desire to drink alcohol or take drugs. I do not like being In the company of people on drugs or drunk either.

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    As a casual drinker who may or may not have partaken in a little weed (but didn't inhale) there is a lot of sense in what gmc and Spot says.
    There is no major problems with sensible drinking or smoking of weed.
    The problem is when it becomes a way of life.

    @ oscar........hows the smoking going ?
    I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth

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    @ oscar........hows the smoking going ?
    I did really well and stopped completely for about 7 months. I started again foolishly and am now In the process of stopping again.

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    I gave up for a whole year, then fell back into it.....does me far more damage than the odd bottle of wine or occasional whisky
    I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruv View Post
    I gave up for a whole year, then fell back into it.....does me far more damage than the odd bottle of wine or occasional whisky
    Keep trying Bruv as there Is no shame In a relapse.
    I started smoking very young, In fact I can remember the very first packet I ever bought on my way to school. 10 number 10 and a book of matches.. 1 shilling and 11 old pence.
    If I got very desperate, It was 5 Parkdrive at a Shilling.
    Back then, our screen Idols were smoking, advertising was everywhere and there was peer pressure that unfortunately, I fell Into. My entire family are non smokers.
    I would have no problem with tobacco being made Illegal. I doubt If I would have the desire to hang around some sink estate trying to buy It on the black market.
    At least smokers don't get In their cars and mow down some-one's family.

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