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    9/11 Islam and Afghanistan...and all the bloody rest of it

    I guess I'm just sick of it all . You see I'm told I have to take sides....Who's side should I take when I can see it from both sides.

    I'm told to watch this over and over again year after year.

    9/11 attack intense footage - YouTube

    America and it's allies by default after this incident go to war. Who exactly are we fighting? A man made army ? Islamists? A bunch of radicals hanging out in every country on earth? The right wing christian fundies back up this proposition of war. Then some how we're amazed that radical islamists would back up another group.
    Have we decided yet which country we attack next? Why havent we attacked Indonesia? It's full of radical islamists. why Iraq? Why not Iran? Why afghanistan and not Chechnya? why not tell Israel to pull their heads in ...why is palistine the bad guys?

    Then this was put up
    Radical Muslims Chant “US Is a Terrorist State” & Burn US Flag at London 9-11 Rally (Video) | The Gateway Pundit

    Angry islamists yes arent they bad ......Well you won't do anything about it so why is there shock and dismay? Inciting hate crimes ..... pretty much in the court bucket really. done case.

    then I see this ...............

    Behind the American 'Kill Team' in Afghanistan - World news - South and Central Asia - Afghanistan - msnbc.com

    I'd be just as angry and would happily plant a bomb in some state of America if this was my child being shot and mutilated. I'd be fair though I would choose the state that these soldiers came from . Not everyone should pay for a national army out of control . This isn't a rogue unit because we are hearing more and more about the atrocities a nation is getting away with.

    So i have to choose a side do I? It's becoming harder and harder to do that.

    In my opinion you're all ****ing crazy. And I've had enough of ya's

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    History according to Snooze: Back in 1990, we, with the UN, went to "war" against Iraq for their invasion of Kuwait. Oil. Hussein. Oil. George Bush the father. Oil. Speed ahead several years with George Dubya in office and we have 9/11. For some reason, the Bush dynasty still has a chubby for Hussein and Iraq is declared to be the center of terrorist activities with huge stores of 'weapons of mass destruction" and our beloved president sends our troops to the Persian Gulf once more. Complete distraction from the "real" problem of worldwide terrorist cells that obviously can't be fought by conventional warfare but it was the perfect opportunity to invade a country whose leader annoyed Daddy Bush and Junior was eager to make dad proud. Oil.

    So what do you do when you've got a leader of a powerful country that (IMHO) abused the power of his office and put his country firmly into a no-win situation that's drained the treasury? We're ****ed anyway you look at it.

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    While not entirely disagreeing about the oil, there is the fact that Al Qaeda wish all women in the world in the birka and publically stoned to death for adultery or walking on the cracks in the pavement and all men bowing to Mecca thrice daily and are prepared to kill any number to achieve that aim. Since they are religious maniacs as convinced of their pure and holy virtue as any Christian Fundamentalist (both KNOW that God wants them to do whatever they want to do) you can no more dissuade them by argument than any other fundie.

    If oil was the sole issue, Bush Snr would not have stopped with the liberation of Kuwait, he'd have pushed in to Iraq then. (And I'm no fan of the Bushes or the American political right)

    The USA may be ****ed, but it's more to do with the Bushes pandering to the wealthy and ignoring the vast bulk of Americans over 20+ years than foreign adventures. Katrina and New Orleans indicates Republican priorities to me.

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    I'm tired of all the 9/11 crap too. The terrorists won, just don't spend too much time in the airplanes bathroom.

    F-16's Escort Two U.S. Flights on 9/11 - YouTube

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    Re: 9/11 Islam and Afghanistan...and all the bloody rest of it

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrat View Post
    I'm tired of all the 9/11 crap too. The terrorists won, just don't spend too much time in the airplanes bathroom.

    F-16's Escort Two U.S. Flights on 9/11 - YouTube
    The terrorists won the moment George Bush invaded Afghanistan - OBL must have laughed all the way to hell :-(

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    HUh I heard about that ...mile high club strikes again and brings down a plane lol lol lol lol .

    Our emergency commissioner was on the radio yesterday and he was sickened by the 911 footage bile. In his view showing the footage again and again is pandering to the terrorists. You are actually rewarding them terrorists are all about instilling fear, the media has become the terrorists dogs body by pushing the idea of fear onto people. In essence "you are giving the terrorists a return on their investment". I agree with him about only showing a dignified memorial service .


    And I do have to hand it to the Yanks they sure know how to make a gorgeous memorial. The waterfall idea is simply beautiful. Well done.

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    The insistence is so pervasive I still get sympathy for being born the day after that happened. I wasn't born the day after 9/11. I was born on a day unrelated to 9/11. In a different decade.

    I agree. The whole thing should be laid to rest. The world carries on.

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    There's no answer to this is there? If I was one of the pilots of one of those planes, being told to crash into the side of one of those buildings, I'd have said, "**** you!". The whole picture is wrong. Whichever way you look at it, there are no clear answers. If I was going to die anyway, I would not have taken my fellow man with me. And by the time some bastard had wrestled the plane controls out of my hands, my plane would have been off course.

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    I'm against the seeming push to make this single event seem like the Holocaust. The Holocaust was much bigger and a lot of people are getting sick of hearing about it too. Way more Russians died in WW2. **** happens. I'm not against Remembrance Days honouring those who died for a cause, I'm just against clinging to singular events as something to hold against all of humanity for the rest of recorded history.

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    I think that the more we keep remembering this day, 9/11, the more we further the concept of a cause, valid or not, and that worries me more than anything else. By itself, the remembrance furthers any cause for terrorism.
    From the pilots' point of view, well, these are highly trained people. Given the option of dying by crashing into a tower or by crashing in a safer place, they are trained to take the safest option. Pilots are not dumb.
    4 planes, 4 pilots. It beggars belief. The destruction of the towers furthered the cause to fight an otherwise invisible terrorist enemy.
    After the 9/11 atrocity, the terrorists were still only capable of individual localised attacks. The subsequent 7/7 bombings in London were nothing compared to the destuction of the twin towers.
    There has been a lot of documentaries since the 9/11 attack trying to prove that it couldn't have been a controlled demolition. But, at the end of the day, a plane crashing into the upper half of a tall building would not have brought down the building after the manner of a controlled explosion. Why the hell would the foundations of the building be affected by what happened at the top of the building?

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