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    I found this by searching temperate zone maps.
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    Interesting the Slave states and Bible Belt coincide to such an extent. Are there any other maps, demographic, geological, climatic or any other anyone can think of that show a similar separation of the bottom right from the rest of the US?
    I found this by searching temperate zone maps.
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    That's right, no critical thinking about religion. No peeking behind the curtain. No coming back to the cave to let the others know the reality of it all.
    WTF are you on about?

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    Re: Slave states vs Bible Belt

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    Close. Red indicates that a majority of its electorate voted for the Republican candidate. Blue indicates that a majority of its electorate voted for the Democratic candidate. There is very little difference between the two, ideologically.

    *Note: it's very important that the words remain capitalized, since Democratic candidates don't support democracy and Republican candidates don't support republicanism.
    I do find it amusing that your "reds" are the republicans rather than the socialists.

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    Re: Slave states vs Bible Belt

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    That's right, no critical thinking about religion. No peeking behind the curtain. No coming back to the cave to let the others know the reality of it all.

    Not at all, it makes great sense that the slave states should be those where the climate supports crops that need mass labour to cultivate. Not much use for slaves on a cattle ranch, too risky in a factory, the wheat harvest is too short a part of the year to make keeping the slaves for the rest of it economical, etc.

    Map out the rest of the areas where the use of slaves was common at the time - same sort of work in the same sort of climate.

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    I do find it amusing that your "reds" are the republicans rather than the socialists.
    I often grin when I think about it.

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    Not at all, it makes great sense that the slave states should be those where the climate supports crops that need mass labour to cultivate. Not much use for slaves on a cattle ranch, too risky in a factory, the wheat harvest is too short a part of the year to make keeping the slaves for the rest of it economical, etc.

    Map out the rest of the areas where the use of slaves was common at the time - same sort of work in the same sort of climate.
    That makes sense, but what of the religious aspect? Africans didn't come already Christian, thought many were presumably superstitious. I believe many of the poorer farmers were of Irish and Scots stock. Did they bring religious zealotry with them? What I mean is that evangelism didn't spring out of the fertile cotton fields. It migrated then mutated.

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    Re: Slave states vs Bible Belt

    I've been trying to find something online about how the Bible Belt developed, but I'm coming up empty-handed. I found this, probably in the same Wiki article that Yarg found the red map.


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    "I've been trying to find something online about how the Bible Belt developed, but I'm coming up empty-handed. I found this, probably in the same Wiki article that Yarg found the red map."

    Accountable, I want to recommend this PBS documentary, which you can watch online, called God in America.
    God In America: Watch the Full Program Online | PBS

    I am hopefully sure your question might be answered. I saw the show last year, and it was greatly informative, as well as entertaining.

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    Re: Slave states vs Bible Belt

    I asked because I wondered if there were any other explanation for the Bible Belt being where it is other than the association with an agricultural hierarchical slave owning society. I wondered if perhaps it were particularly poor, or there were some other explanation that would leap out. The climate map fits the slave owning data and other than that there doesn't seem to be anything.

    That the two coincide strongly suggests to me that they are linked. I simply don't know enough about it to say how, though I can guess that the mindsets might have connections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clodhopper View Post
    I asked because I wondered if there were any other explanation for the Bible Belt being where it is other than the association with an agricultural hierarchical slave owning society. I wondered if perhaps it were particularly poor, or there were some other explanation that would leap out. The climate map fits the slave owning data and other than that there doesn't seem to be anything.

    That the two coincide strongly suggests to me that they are linked. I simply don't know enough about it to say how, though I can guess that the mindsets might have connections.
    There definitely is a link, to some degree.
    The slave states were agriculture, and very little industry. Like England in India, the North would purchase the raw cotton, and process it, and sell the product back to the Southern customers.
    While the discussion over slavery was going on, technological advances were coming that would make slaves obsolete for agriculture, so the culture was already doomed.
    Thanks to Henry Clay and the like, the South tried to resist the tide.
    The war costs the South all of their resources, and many of their young men.
    When Lincoln was assassinated, any hope of a peaceful reconciliation were dashed, and the Industrial North moved in for the kill.
    "Reconstruction" took what little the South had left, and the majority of Southerners were left homeless, and without means to support their families.
    The "Poor White Trash" of the South had little to rely upon, except their religion.
    They were easy marks for the protestant revivalists.
    The former slaves, of course, were no better off. They had no home, and no work, and the Carpetbaggers and Re-constructionists had little use for them. They were left to compete with the whites for resources. The one thing that had helped them keep their heads during the days of slavery was their religion. It was the one thing on which they could still rely.
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