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    Re: Oscar Pistorius.....what next ?

    And on second thoughts......"Courage is a deliberate chosen act, not a response to a setback."
    I suspect 'choosing' to run in an able bodied Olympics against all the odds, prompting discussions and derision.....like this thread.....is getting close to courageous
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    he has had "To have courage is to have strength to stand in the face of adversity" by standing up to the Athletic ruling bodies.....(On those strange legs too)
    Or a good legal team. I think you're putting strain on something that needn't bear it. There are lots of words for what he did, courage needn't be brought into it.

    The ruling body simply said there was no evidence presented that demonstrated a net advantage. That's a failure in the gathering of evidence and its presentation. I'd be surprised if it's the case that his performance doesn't benefit. Regardless of whether it does or not, if the precedent allows modified humans unless it can be demonstrated they have a net advantage then there's no podium place left for non-modified humans in international sport, because some modified humans will have an advantage which (by the nature of what can be demonstrated) can't be proven, and they'll be the winners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruv View Post
    And on second thoughts......"Courage is a deliberate chosen act, not a response to a setback."
    I suspect 'choosing' to run in an able bodied Olympics against all the odds, prompting discussions and derision.....like this thread.....is getting close to courageous
    If he is, in fact, a second-rate runner producing a first-rate performance on the track, the word you're failing to uncover is smug. I don't deride him, I think he should run in the Paralympics. I think the Paralympic performances in general should be higher faster stronger than those in the unaided competition, and if they're not yet then that's down to inadequate equipment and poor training.

    I also challenge "against all the odds". What's true is "against opposition".
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    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    Or a good legal team. I think you're putting strain on something that needn't bear it. There are lots of words for what he did, courage needn't be brought into it.

    The ruling body simply said there was no evidence presented that demonstrated a net advantage. That's a failure in the gathering of evidence and its presentation. I'd be surprised if it's the case that his performance doesn't benefit. Regardless of whether it does or not, if the precedent allows modified humans unless it can be demonstrated they have a net advantage then there's no podium place left for non-modified humans in international sport, because some modified humans will have an advantage which (by the nature of what can be demonstrated) can't be proven, and they'll be the winners.
    We have two topics running alongside each other here.....don't we?
    The main one being whether anybody with a disability can compete equally with the able bodied.
    As a comparison would a sighted person be disadvantaged playing handball with a blind team using an adapted ball containing a bell......if he was blindfold?


    Courage........quotes
    I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruv View Post
    We have two topics running alongside each other here.....don't we?
    The main one being whether anybody with a disability can compete equally with the able bodied.
    As a comparison would a sighted person be disadvantaged playing handball with a blind team using an adapted ball containing a bell......if he was blindfold?


    Courage........quotes
    I'm sure we could invent odd scenarios all night if we stayed up.

    I like the quotes. They're overwhelmingly related to doing something special rather than being something special.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    If he is, in fact, a second-rate runner producing a first-rate performance on the track, the word you're failing to uncover is smug. I don't deride him, I think he should run in the Paralympics. I think the Paralympic performances in general should be higher faster stronger than those in the unaided competition, and if they're not yet then that's down to inadequate equipment and poor training.

    I also challenge "against all the odds". What's true is "against opposition".
    You are a cantankerous so and so, slicker than a gob full of snot, comes to mind.



    You never ever 'get it' do you ?
    This guy is an athlete, he has campaigned for years to compete equally with able bodied athletes.
    He has 'fought' the authorities to enable this, in doing so he has shown courage.
    He wouldn't really know if his enhanced sprung legs give him an advantage, I doubt very much whether he is smug about it. I suspect he wants to compete equally for his own personal reasons, to be seen as a whole man, equal to other athletes.
    If anyone has it wrong it is the authorities, not him.
    I suspect they have gone far too far conceding to PC pressures
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    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post

    I like the quotes. They're overwhelmingly related to doing something special rather than being something special.
    Like Oscar..........
    I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruv View Post
    Like Oscar..........
    If oscar ever does anything special, let me know.
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    Re: Oscar Pistorius.....what next ?

    The olympic committee originally rejected him, but reconsidered after talking with experts about whether his blades would enhance his performance. They were shown prosthetics that would and would not enhance performance and then decided to allow him to compete.

    The real problem will come in shortly, since gene splicing is a reality and a parent can choose to "enhance" a fertilized egg, to grow a child with the "right" genes for a given sport. There is no way to detect whether this has been done.

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    Re: Oscar Pistorius.....what next ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    If oscar ever does anything special, let me know.
    Oscar against all the odds ran in the Olympics.....................are you keeping up ?
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