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    There is spin everywhere, my friend. Ask me if I trust a politician more than an artist and my answer will always be "No." Even if we're talking about Andy Warhol. I don't have a position on Syria at the moment. It's royally ****ed up. You can't really know what is going on unless you lived there.

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    I see no reason I should trust any artist who takes a side, they're bought and paid for jusy as easily as anyone else. Especially in this case.

    If you want to study up on this you need to read more than just the news. If you want to reallt know what is going on in the big picture you need to study a lot about warfare and history politics and economics. If you know enough and put in the time you can figure out what is going on.

    This is not a rebellion, this is proxy warfare between powers. They are using religion, open and clandestine terrorism, economic deprivation and destruction of Syrias infrastructure in order to bring about the result they desire.

    The lives of Syrians in the middle don't mean jack s**t to the people running this, on either side. Syrians are going to pay a steep price for their "freedom". I stand firmly on the side of Syrias government as they have always done well by the majority of the people even under very adverse circumstances. Shia Syrians are fighting back so hard because they know that if they don't fight and survive in the new order they may as well be slaves.

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    Here's a link, this story is all over the internet in one form or another.

    Arms for Syrian rebels go mostly to jihadists – report — RT

    Keep in mind, were the majority of Syrians against Assad this would have been over long ago. The simple fact is that the people fighting for the FSA are mostly Sunni Jihadists and a very small number of actual Syrians. The fact that the Syrian army is still functioning and keeping the FSA at bay should tell you something.

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    Here's a link, this story is all over the internet in one form or another.

    Arms for Syrian rebels go mostly to jihadists – report — RT

    Keep in mind, were the majority of Syrians against Assad this would have been over long ago. The simple fact is that the people fighting for the FSA are mostly Sunni Jihadists and a very small number of actual Syrians. The fact that the Syrian army is still functioning and keeping the FSA at bay should tell you something.
    Your own link shows the problem with what you are saying.
    "Most of the arms funneled to Syrian rebels reportedly end up in the hands of hardline Islamist extremists, including those affiliated with Al-Qaeda. There is no way of vetting rebel groups to bolster only those with more secular views."
    There are different factions in the rebels. They aren't all fighting for the same reason. According to you, they are Al Qaeda and they are jihadists. Also according to you, they are proxies for the US. The US is not funding Al Qaeda in Syria. Israel is also giving funding to the rebels. Israel is most certainly not funding Al Qaeda.

    There are many different reasons people have risen up against Assad. Deserters from the army, former political prisoners, and probably a few trigger happy angry people looking for a cause. I bet one of the rebels somewhere in Syria has a collection of plush animals on their bed (Maybe even a poster of "My Little Pony") while another one plays Angry Birds at the end of a hard day. Some of these people might fit the classic version of terrorist and others do not.

    There is no one type of person trying to topple Assad's regime. I know you don't respect the soulful honesty of artists but here is the tale from a poet's hand way back in 1999 (before the spin doctors arrived)
    Atomised by years of intelligence reports, they were not organised and far from united. Just how fragmented was the Opposition becomes clear in Hasiba Abd al-Rahman's Al-Sharnaqa (The Co****) published in 1999. A vivid depiction of life in a women's prison, it decries government brutality while also criticising the chaos among the dissidents.

    For three months after publication, Abd al-Rahman writes, the Syrian authorities summoned her repeatedly. They demanded that she explain "the symbols and references and what this or that thought meant and why I had written it this way and not another. What really surprised me was the harsh and negative reaction of the Opposition. They accused me of washing dirty laundry in public. I was amazed that their violent reaction was no different from that of the authorities except that the latter could summon me and they could not. They wanted a story about heroes when in fact it was a story of intellectual and military defeats."
    Inside dissident Syria - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

    Alex Jones has an agenda too, you know.

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    I admit I am using a broad brush on the rebels, some of those groups are in fact simply protecting their part of the country, their neighbohood, their homes. The media being what it is you can't distinguish between them though. This conflict has been Balkanized by the outside interference by yet other foreign groups.

    Interference is the reason people are dying.

    Supposedly most of these groups leaders are having a big meeting today, I suspect they will all have large amounts of cash in thier bank accounts by the end of it and they may coordinate themselves better. They will pocket large amounts for themselves then probably buy some more mercenaries.

    There are many different reasons people have risen up against Assad. Deserters from the army, former political prisoners, and probably a few trigger happy angry people looking for a cause.
    The SYRIANS who have risin up against Assad are very few in number. It's estimated there are only about 20 to 25 thousand of them spread all over the country. That reportedly is a high number.

    I know you don't respect the soulful honesty of artists but here is the tale from a poet's hand way back in 1999 (before the spin doctors arrived)
    I don't believe a word of the article, it standard boiler plate material. As for artists and honesty I'll never accuse one of turning down some cash and a good job if it requires telling lies.

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    We seemed to be getting along so well until the last two sentences.
    I'm not sure how you align Abd al-Rahman with someone taking money to tell lies since her book upset both the regime and the dissidents. Who paid her?

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    In light of acts like this, is it relevant?

    At least 13 killed, dozens injured in Damascus car bombing amid UN peace envoy visit (VIDEO, PHOTOS) — RT

    I think that the fact that almost all western countries on one hand condemn acts of terror and on the other (when their allies do it) it's just fine. Why are artists even speaking out about it? Those guys that did the puppet show should do one about this guy who drove a car loaded with explosives to Damascus and killed 13 people, how about one of the others? I know why only certain things get in the media, so do you Koan

    There's been news of riots and clashes in Lebanon. Turkey and Syria may try to come to an agreement of some sort, it appears Erdogan is being pressured from within. Syria is under great pressure but they are still holding their own. The idiots in the FSA are simply driving the common Syrian away from them. There's a rumor that Syria doesn't have the arms to get to the people who want to fight. The terrorists are having a hard time maneuvering in the interior of the country due to lack of support.

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    And the latest. Damn could the west be any more hypocritical.

    Fidaa Itani His website or blog. He was arrested by the rebels, let's see if he lives.

    Fidaa Itani | Al Akhbar English

    Syrian rebels seize Lebanese journalist over ‘incompatible’ reporting — RT

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    The more I watch reports about the Syrian situation the more I get the feeling it's a very deliberate act.

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    It's become a religious conflict much like the Balkans after Yugoslavia and it is being openly backed by US allies Sunni Arab Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Iran and others are backing the Alawites and Christians (who are mainly just fighting for survival, if they haven't already left) by any means possible. Kurds are waiting to see if they can grab anything, Turkey may be realizing that if they get deeply involved and do the USs bidding it will not be good for them. These Sunni extremists will look around for another playground, it may well be them.

    Here's a disturbing video. This is who we're supporting. The death toll is now over 30,000. Major portions of the western part of the country are demolished, refugees are becoming a problem. I had a contact that lived in Tartus on another forum, he hasn't posted in weeks, he could well be dead or went to fight these scumbags.

    Violent Syria video footage: UN warns of possible rebel war crimes (GRAPHIC VIDEO) — RT

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