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    Re: Was Primordial man Conscious as we are conscious?

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    Once a human child enters this world they are conscious.
    How does consciousness differ from self-awareness?

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    Re: Was Primordial man Conscious as we are conscious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bryn Mawr View Post
    How does consciousness differ from self-awareness?
    Its the same thing.

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    Re: Was Primordial man Conscious as we are conscious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickiel View Post
    Once a human child enters this world they are conscious.
    If you say so.
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    Re: Was Primordial man Conscious as we are conscious?

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    If you say so.
    Well it may take a slap on the rear end by the doctor to jump start it.

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    Re: Was Primordial man Conscious as we are conscious?

    " The problem of animal awareness lies at the interface of science and philosophy. As a starting point for the study of phenomena such as awareness, mind, consciousness, etc., we hardly have any reference other than our own human experience and in the context of a nondualistic ontology this can be justified. In philosophy and psychology it appears to be very difficult to give direct operational definitions of terms such as consciousness, etc. So we might expect this to be even more difficult in the study of animals. A detailed knowledge of animals and their behaviour is necessary in order to be able to say something about their subjective experiences, and to prevent us from excessively projecting human experience on animals.
    Descriptive terms dealing with the nature of animal awareness, like intelligence, consciousness, etc., are normative as well (Hodos 1982), and therefore the study of animal awareness has wide-ranging moral implications for our own conduct towards animals (Griffin 1981a; Midgley 1981); some of the reluctance in recognizing the question o animal awareness as legitimate and "scientific" might be explained this way. The question of animal awareness implies the question of the human-animal relationship."
    Link: THE QUESTION OF ANIMAL AWARENESS
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    "The trouble with people isn't that they don't know, but that they know so much that ain't so." - Will Rogers
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    Re: Was Primordial man Conscious as we are conscious?

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    I welcome reading any test on the subject. I myself recommend "The origin of consciousness And the bicameral mind." By j. Jaynes

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    Re: Was Primordial man Conscious as we are conscious?

    Just what do you define as 'Conciousness'? Koko was a perfect demonstration of primate conciousness. Not only did she have an extensive vocabulary, but she also had awareness of her sexuality, as in her later years she asked for a mate, as she never got to meet with one under natural circumstances, so they arranged a load of profiles from other male gorillas in captivity, and she went through all the profiles on the laptop. She even asked questions & occasionally gave quite scathing remarks about the ones that she didn't think much of. Unfortunately, even when she did make a selection it didn't work out, as the male was too much towards instinctive breeding, and they couldn't cross the cultural bridge.

    The point is that by her making enquiries about others & her potential future as a Mother definitely demonstrates self awareness.

    It is also worth remembering that it wasn't until relatively recently that Australian Aborigines were recognised as being human with their own self awareness. Placing oneself above another by reason of race is bad enough, but where do you draw the line. It is known that there is a very close relationship between humans & other primates. It is simply arrogant to believe that they don't have self awareness as well.

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    Re: Was Primordial man Conscious as we are conscious?

    Quote Originally Posted by FourPart View Post
    Just what do you define as 'Conciousness'? Koko was a perfect demonstration of primate conciousness. Not only did she have an extensive vocabulary, but she also had awareness of her sexuality, as in her later years she asked for a mate, as she never got to meet with one under natural circumstances, so they arranged a load of profiles from other male gorillas in captivity, and she went through all the profiles on the laptop. She even asked questions & occasionally gave quite scathing remarks about the ones that she didn't think much of. Unfortunately, even when she did make a selection it didn't work out, as the male was too much towards instinctive breeding, and they couldn't cross the cultural bridge.

    The point is that by her making enquiries about others & her potential future as a Mother definitely demonstrates self awareness.

    It is also worth remembering that it wasn't until relatively recently that Australian Aborigines were recognised as being human with their own self awareness. Placing oneself above another by reason of race is bad enough, but where do you draw the line. It is known that there is a very close relationship between humans & other primates. It is simply arrogant to believe that they don't have self awareness as well.

    I am not continuous with the idiotic hierarchical bloodline of speechless apes.

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    Re: Was Primordial man Conscious as we are conscious?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mickiel View Post
    Its the same thing.
    Even my dogs are self aware although they're not the brightest spark in the sky.

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