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    Re: How refreshing a decent Politician

    Quote Originally Posted by tude dog View Post
    I trust the people, way before the Federal government.
    Liar. In your own words you dislike over 50% of our population. Dislike, distrust, same thing. Robots don't run the government, people do.

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    Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite.
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    Re: How refreshing a decent Politician

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    I don't know why you quoted me for this post. Well, actually I do. You insist on placing me in your little boxes of preconception, whether I fit or not. You've done it for years.
    You read too much in to things. I quoted you because I disagreed with your general point I think you need a balance of power between industry/banks/wealth call it what you will. In truth half the time I don't really pay attention to who has made a particular point rather I'm just chipping in when I feel I have anything to say or occasionally to the flow of discussion. I'm sorry if you think there is any personal animosity in any of my posts that is not my motivation and no offence was intended. The nature of discussion is such that the thread where there are people whose opinions differ from mine and which present an intellectual challenge are the ones that I find most interesting it's not about scoring points, nto to me anyway.

    We only disagree on what "too strong" means.
    Actually I suspect we would end up agreeing more than disagreeing on many things. Who knows after september I may be living in a socialist scotland free from the baleful influence of london financial institutions.

    I don't think you know what laissez faire capitalism is. Your mind is closed to any idea of people doing as they will because you don't trust that people can possibly be as fair-minded and benevolent as you are, despite the overwhelming evidence that the majority of people are fair-minded and benevolent. You simply can't trust, yet have an irrational reverance that bureaucrats are somehow blessed with superior wisdom. That's not healthy.
    Actually you have a habit of placing me in your own little boxes of perception. I do know what Laissez faire capitalism is that's why I''m not taken in by it You can't separate or allow coporations to exist as if they have no responsiblty or debt's due to the society in which they exist. If I just put ou in another box I apologise.

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    I believe it to be the government's task to protect me for the corporate dogs who would snatch every morsel of my life, given the chance.
    It should be the government's task to help keep the fracking rig away from my water supply, and to provide the guidelines to keep my drinking water drinkable, and my food edible, and my air breathable, my highways driveable, and, well, you get the idea. We have seen that the corporations are not going to do that for us, their customers.
    I agree with you in my non american from a european point of view. It seems sometimes, to me as an outsider that is, that americans have been brainwashed in to believing they have no right to insist their government act on their behalf that no matter what big corporations do to protest somehow smacks of communism and government interference. I don't think that's right though.

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    Re: How refreshing a decent Politician

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    I agree with you in my non american from a european point of view. It seems sometimes, to me as an outsider that is, that americans have been brainwashed in to believing they have no right to insist their government act on their behalf that no matter what big corporations do to protest somehow smacks of communism and government interference. I don't think that's right though.
    Well, there are times when I fear that is more right (correct) than any of us care to admit.
    We seem to have polarized into the two camps. The one is exactly as you stated above. The other seems to think that it is the government's job to protect us from ourselves, and neither can seem to differentiate between the citizen and the corporation.
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    I would be very okay if corporations as they currently exist were outlawed, making owners liable for their company's actions.

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    Re: How refreshing a decent Politician

    Quote Originally Posted by AnneBoleyn View Post
    Liar. In your own words you dislike over 50% of our population. Dislike, distrust, same thing.
    I don't remember where I wrote that I dislike over 50% of our population. A link would have been nice.

    BTW, I see a world of difference between dislike and distrust. Imagine a Con-Artist not understanding the difference.

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    I suspect each and everyone of them understand the difference between dislike and trust.
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    Re: How refreshing a decent Politician

    You don't like or trust democrats, liberals, or progressives. They are over 50% of the population. I don't need a link, just re-read most of what you've ever written. You know, the majority who elected our President---Twice.

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    You don't like or trust the overwhelming numbers of people, not all of them women, who believe abortion is a woman's legitimate & lawful right to choose.

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    Re: How refreshing a decent Politician

    Quote Originally Posted by tude dog View Post
    I trust the people, way before the Federal government.
    So, you trust the above named citizens? The Federal Government was established in our Constitution. You don't trust the Constitution?

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    Re: How refreshing a decent Politician

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    Trust & like aren't synonymous, or even linked, necessarily. Sometimes people dislike what someone does and say they don't trust him, when they probably should say that they trust him to do something they don't like.

    I have students I like a lot - really funny & personable - but I can't trust them to do things on their own. They're unpredictable, thus untrustworthy.
    I don't like president Obama politically, precisely because I can trust him. I trust him to do what he promised to do during his campaign: fundamentally change the country. I trust him to do so with Machiavelian zeal, violating federal law, ignoring corruption in his administration, and legislating from the executive office. I trust him to do whatever he thinks necessary to destroy the federal republic set up by the US Constitution, including disingenuously swearing an oath to protect and defend it.

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