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    Re: Move to ban BNP members teaching

    I can understand banning convicted criminals from certain jobs, but I fail to see how we can stop someones political beliefs affecting their employment prospects.
    It harks back to McCarthyism
    I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth

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    Personally I find the whole concept of the BNP totally odious. We even used to have the local candidate in our choir & if he hadn't have left, I was about to as every time I saw him I just wanted to punch his lights out. Normally I'm really laid back, but that sort of thing brings out the worst in me.

    However, having said that, just as has already been mentioned, love them or loathe them, they are a legitimate political party & as such it has to be technically illegal to discriminate against anyone who has not been convicted of a criminal offence.

    Much as I would not want such people teaching my kids (if I had any), I can also see how banning them because of their political views could also be viewed as taking the same fascist stance. Hitler never had any opposition parties. They weren't allowed. Anyone who held opposing views just mysteriously disappeared.

    I think the key difference has to be those of having controversial beliefs & instigating them into others of an easily corruptible nature.

    It's all a touch of "I may not agree with your views, but I will defend, to the death, your right to express them".

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    Quote Originally Posted by FourPart View Post
    Personally I find the whole concept of the BNP totally odious. We even used to have the local candidate in our choir & if he hadn't have left, I was about to as every time I saw him I just wanted to punch his lights out. Normally I'm really laid back, but that sort of thing brings out the worst in me.



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    Then that makes you the thug that the uninformed assume the BNP are.

    Out of Interest, do you like football?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar Namechange View Post
    Out of Interest, do you like football?
    Nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FourPart View Post
    Nope.
    So you assume that because a proportion of football fans are violent criminals hellbent on disrupting the terraces, all football fans are violent? So because you met one BNP member you wanted to physically attack, you assume all BNP supporters are rabid nutters?
    What about UKIP.? One Councilor says ' poofter should be shot' so you assume all UKIP supporters want homosexuals killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FourPart View Post
    Hitler never had any opposition parties. They weren't allowed. Anyone who held opposing views just mysteriously disappeared.
    That, to be fair, was scarcely the fault of Hitler or National Socialism. Allow me a very relevant quote which holds as true for ForumGarden as it did for the Reichstag:
    When the speaker of one party indulged in his oratory, the others walked out. It was not worth while to listen to somebody's opinion when you knew that his premises were all wrong. The grim determination to silence the unconvincible enemy by execution or imprisonment already existed prior to 1933 in many parties.

    Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, The Menace of the Herd. Milwaukee: The Bruce Publishing Co., 1943.
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    Re: Move to ban BNP members teaching

    For once I agree with what's her name, this is wrong on so many levels. What next ban left wing parties because they are anti capitalist, anti monarchist?

    posted by four part
    I think the key difference has to be those of having controversial beliefs & instigating them into others of an easily corruptible nature.
    In that case let's ban all religious teachers and religious schools in case they preach that their way is the only way and everybody else is wrong and going to hell. sectarianisn/racism what's the difference, onc you get beneath the skin? Both basically say anyone who is different is to be shunned or treated as lesser.

    posted by today I am going to be called gerald.
    What about UKIP.? One Councilor says ' poofter should be shot' so you assume all UKIP supporters want homosexuals killed.
    Your starter for ten which type of organisation not only demands the right to discriminate against homosexuals and deny their human rights but does so on the grounds that their beliefs are somehow better than everybody elses and sacrosanct. Which prime minister recently stated that as a nation we all support these beliefs. Can't wait till they try and change the laws of succession and all the christians go for each other.

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    Re: Move to ban BNP members teaching

    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    For once I agree with what's her name, this is wrong on so many levels. What next ban left wing parties because they are anti capitalist, anti monarchist?

    posted by four part


    In that case let's ban all religious teachers and religious schools in case they preach that their way is the only way and everybody else is wrong and going to hell. sectarianisn/racism what's the difference, onc you get beneath the skin? Both basically say anyone who is different is to be shunned or treated as lesser.

    posted by today I am going to be called gerald.


    Your starter for ten which type of organisation not only demands the right to discriminate against homosexuals and deny their human rights but does so on the grounds that their beliefs are somehow better than everybody elses and sacrosanct. Which prime minister recently stated that as a nation we all support these beliefs. Can't wait till they try and change the laws of succession and all the christians go for each other.
    It Is absurd and for this reason.

    To register a political party with the Electoral Commission, you must submit your constitution. The Commission accepted the BNP's constitution and registered them as a bona fide political party open to as much scrutiny as any other party and by registering them, gave them the legal right to contest any seat or council In the country. So after accepting their registration and taking their fee's, they now attempt to dictate who can do what. I'd actually have more respect If any government called for the BNP to be de-registered rather than this absurd course they want to take.
    They are on very dangerous ground. Look at the amount of trials of BNP members and key figures and see how many either get thrown out of court or found not guilty by jury. Look at the case the sacked bus driver won. Nick Griffin has a damn good legal department.

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    Re: Move to ban BNP members teaching

    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar Namechange View Post
    Then that makes you the thug that the uninformed assume the BNP are.
    Nah, not for wanting to but refraining from. That makes him fairly normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FourPart View Post
    Personally I find the whole concept of the BNP totally odious. We even used to have the local candidate in our choir & if he hadn't have left, I was about to as every time I saw him I just wanted to punch his lights out. Normally I'm really laid back, but that sort of thing brings out the worst in me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar Namechange View Post
    Then that makes you the thug that the uninformed assume the BNP are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Accountable View Post
    Nah, not for wanting to but refraining from. That makes him fairly normal.
    True. there is a very long road from "wanting to" and actually punching (or shooting, strangling, kicking, etc.)
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