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    The American Pledge of Allegiance

    I don't wish to get into a religious debate about this but when I was a school boy the pledge was as follows. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation INDIVISABLE with liberty and justice for all.The INDIVISABLE was dropped in 1954 and ONE NATION UNDER GOD was substituted. In view of my countrys Civil War of the 1860's and current political divisions and upheaval it seems more important to me that one nation indivisable is more important than one nation under god.

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    Re: The American Pledge of Allegiance

    I would tend to agree.
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    The country during the Civil War was divided as we all know. There was not a feeling of cohesiveness or unity of spirit. We as a country in WW 2 were united in spirit and purpose and their was no division. Then the Viet Nam era with more division of spirit and lack of unity and here we are today with more separation of interests and agendas. For a country to truly be great it must be in my opinion have a citizenry that is united in thought and purpose, truly indivisible.

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    Re: The American Pledge of Allegiance

    I remember something different from

    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    I don't wish to get into a religious debate about this but when I was a school boy the pledge was as follows. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation INDIVISABLE with liberty and justice for all.The INDIVISABLE was dropped in 1954 and ONE NATION UNDER GOD was substituted. In view of my countrys Civil War of the 1860's and current political divisions and upheaval it seems more important to me that one nation indivisable is more important than one nation under god.
    What I remember is, and to this day

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
    This is a really interesting site, The Pledge of Allegiance

    One thing that is missing is that in my parents grew up, as they spoke the pledge, hand over heart, would remove the hand, estend palm upturned as to salute the flag.

    Well, come the NAZI's, WW2 and it was just decided to leave the hand over the heart.
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    Re: The American Pledge of Allegiance

    We don't have anything like that in the U.K., which seems a pity in a way, as I have always been a true Patriot & proud of my country. However, you can't instil true pride in anyone by forcing the to recite something, whether they believe in it or not.

    What makes things even worse here, though is how "P.C. Gone Mad" has taken it to the point that the Union Flag can't be flown in such establishments for fear of being accused of being 'Racist' (seriously - it sounds like a joke, but it's true).

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    That is part of the problem with Believers/Christians. The just automatically assume that everyone they come in contact with is of a like mind.

    My partner is an atheist like me and yet she wears a gold crucifix on a chain around her neck. When she is asked about her belief she goes: "I'm an atheist." This freaks some people out and they go: "If you're an atheist, why do you wear a crucifix?" And she goes: "You wear a wristwatch ... are you a watchmaker?"

    I collect rosaries and have several. Why? Because I find them pretty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jones jones View Post
    .... "If you're an atheist, why do you wear a crucifix?" And she goes: "You wear a wristwatch ... are you a watchmaker?"

    Oh Jesus! (pardon me) I love it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    I don't wish to get into a religious debate about this but when I was a school boy the pledge was as follows. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation INDIVISABLE with liberty and justice for all.The INDIVISABLE was dropped in 1954 and ONE NATION UNDER GOD was substituted. In view of my countrys Civil War of the 1860's and current political divisions and upheaval it seems more important to me that one nation indivisable is more important than one nation under god.
    Well, to be honest saying "G_d bless America" disgusts me but it actually isn't necessarily a religious thing. I sometimes say "If G_d wanted .... he would have ....." It's more of a philosophical thing, as I see it. Nothing wrong in it. But the "indivisible" clause is a corker.

    We have a special relationship within the Nordic States that afford us many favours across our borders. Norway is fine with that but felt it was better off out of the EU. So they quit it. The American 'indivisible' thingy would (I suppose) make it illegal for Hawaii (for example) to drop out. I realize it's not quite the same thing as voluntary membership in the EU or NATO, but American indivisable clause reminds me of the USSR.

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    Re: The American Pledge of Allegiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    The INDIVISABLE was dropped in 1954 and ONE NATION UNDER GOD was substituted.
    You are incorrect. The "UNDER GOD" was added after "ONE NATION" and BEFORE, not in place of, "INDIVISIBLE" as a result of the so-called "RED SCARE" of the early 1950's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Aspam View Post
    You are incorrect. The "UNDER GOD" was added after "ONE NATION" and BEFORE, not in place of, "INDIVISIBLE" as a result of the so-called "RED SCARE" of the early 1950's.
    Joe McCarthy? How did they justify the change of wording?

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