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    I've always found Betty to be a very fair and welcoming member of FG, in my short time here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryn Mawr View Post
    OK, here is the official position :-

    JJ was banned for foul and abusive language - the fact that it was in a foreign language is immaterial given the ease of translation and he is lucky that the ban was not for far longer given the language used.

    His history *is* relevant and *will* be held against him - he has already received a number of warnings about his behaviour and this *will* be taken into account when considering the way we react to any further infringement. The thread he posted *will* be interpreted in light of previous behaviour.
    Back to subject...yes he did use foul and abusive language only after having to deal with trolling and harassment from another member for months on end. One can only take so much. I reported this member and no action was taken.

    NEXT: His post regarding Betty Boop was spurred by an PM from Betty to him. As she was watching him to make sure he, and others; used links in their post when needed. Perhaps some take his post as sexual overtones....other don't. It is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

    Yes, I know Jj likes to flirt with the ladies but as all can see not many are threatened by his posts. It is only Tyr....FG....whatever John wants to call himself that day that has taken a attack position. BTW....I thought you were only allowed, by the TOU; one profile. How is it John Spotty has three or more? And how can he get away with insulting members? Administration should fall under the same rules as everyone else in an equal forum.

    Bryn, you strike me as a fair man and I understand why you say his past is relevant to the future. He has made his amends...has he committed any more multiple "members" on the site in the last 4 years, unlike Spot/FG/Tyr and what ever he deems him self to be? Spot who accused me wrongly of being one of Jj's multiple personalities when I first joined.

    Back to point: Yes, he flirts....that is not being an "Online Sexual Predator".

    Personally I think Tyr owes another apologize to both Peter and Jj. Sigh....I know from experience that will never come...as he still owes me one from falsely accusing me of being Jj.

    Yes, Jj used some fowl language and then everyone over reacted to his thread on Betty.
    actually it strikes me as a compliment that Jj finds the drawing of Betty Boop sexy to someone who is so involved in images it would be. And then asked if Betty was sexy also. WOW! Sexual Predator for sure!

    I'm done with this thread. You all can keep beating up everyone.

    High Threshold I would suggest you post your holiday pictures in another thread.
    They will have a much better "feeling" to them there. Hey! Why not post in my thread...Pictures I have taken? That would be good.

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    It's really unfortunate that Ted Bundy was given the chair. I mean, he sent his mother flowers each and every Mother's Day! So OK he was a petty thief and he cheated on his university examinations but he couldn't afford anything more than a VW Beetle so, you know, how would you feel? And alright, he tortured, raped, and hideously murdered more than a hundred women but golly, only after having to deal with trolling and harassment. Personally I think the laws and rules should have been waivered in his case and really, the world owes him an apology. Yes, this is what I really, really, really, really, really, think.

    And then there's Charles Manson …....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady J View Post
    High Threshold I would suggest you post your holiday pictures in another thread.
    They will have a much better "feeling" to them there. Hey! Why not post in my thread...Pictures I have taken? That would be good.
    Yes, you are right of course. I only posted them there because I was asked "over there". Again I agree that they ought to have been posted in a "holiday thread" but ..... well ....... I'm sort of shy, if you know what I mean.

    I don't take many photos of THINGS, they are mostly of my family and posting such photos seem too personal to me. Like I said, I'm kind of shy and I also feel that posting photos of me, my wife and my son have a pretentious nuance to it. I do realize that most people don't see it that way and they wouldn't think badly of me if I did post such photos but .......... I'm shy about such things. Thank you for your kind advice.

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    Re: What the Heck is Going on Around Here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lady J View Post
    Back to subject...yes he did use foul and abusive language only after having to deal with trolling and harassment from another member for months on end. One can only take so much. I reported this member and no action was taken.
    It wasn't trolling, we've seen years of men reacting in the exact same way to JJ. It's the modern day man reacting to the way he treats other people, be they male or female.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lady J View Post
    NEXT: His post regarding Betty Boop was spurred by an PM from Betty to him. As she was watching him to make sure he, and others; used links in their post when needed. Perhaps some take his post as sexual overtones....other don't. It is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
    Spurred by a PM sent last October?? regarding me telling him not to copy and paste without links, him then telling me he believes he is above such matters and doesn't need to do so. The whole thing ended with me telling him that in future I would defer his rule breaking to Bryn and never again would I PM with a quiet reminder just in case he'd temporarily forgotten the rules. Which is something I do with all members who forget links the first time.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lady J View Post
    Bryn, you strike me as a fair man and I understand why you say his past is relevant to the future. He has made his amends...has he committed any more multiple "members" on the site in the last 4 years, unlike Spot/FG/Tyr and what ever he deems him self to be? Spot who accused me wrongly of being one of Jj's multiple personalities when I first joined.
    Yes he has had multiple user accounts, he's even come back and joined up pretending to be female on more than one occasion so you can see why, not just spot, but the whole moderation team thought you were JJ. The name Lady J is a big factor and is totally fitting with the way JJ behaves, it implies that you are indeed his 'lady' and no doubt gave him a huge kick. I can't even begin to remember all the different persona's he's had, not sure I'd have enough fingers to count them.

    Spot stopped using his 'spot' account for his own personal reasons, the he opened up his 'tyr' account. So, there are two 'user accounts' for John as a regular member around here, both accounts state his real life name and phone number, there is no hiding from 'who' he is.
    The FG account is an administration account for all the behind scenes stuff that keeps the site working and cannot be considered as a multiple user account. It is a necessary account to keep the place ticking over.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lady J View Post
    Yes, Jj used some fowl language and then everyone over reacted to his thread on Betty.
    actually it strikes me as a compliment that Jj finds the drawing of Betty Boop sexy to someone who is so involved in images it would be. And then asked if Betty was sexy also. WOW! Sexual Predator for sure!
    The point is, you have bits that JJ has chosen to tell you. I have spent years fending him off. I will not be manipulated by anyone, be they male or female. I did not join FG to be poked and prodded by a man who basically just wants me to like him and when I refuse he attacks me in a sexual manner. This is not the first time, just one of many in a long list of digs, be they here, in PM's or emails.

    There are also other women who have refused to be his 'friend' who actually wish to remain anonymous as they feel foolish for getting involved. Asides from these other women who have got involved there are also other people here who do not like his approach or mannerisms to other women, and they feel his behaviour is unpleasant and sleazy.

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    There are also other women who have refused to be his 'friend' who actually wish to remain anonymous as they feel foolish for getting involved. Asides from these other women who have got involved there are also other people here who do not like his approach or mannerisms to other women, and they feel his behaviour is unpleasant and sleazy.
    I usually accept friend requests, but never send them. I'm okay with those who want to get to know people on a forum, but what draws me to forum discussions is the opportunity to talk about things that don't interest people I know personally or work with.

    When it comes to this "friending" thing; one of the reasons why I am starting to wonder if I should give up on discussion forums entirely is because they have so easily descended into pits of trolling and misogyny. In general, it's a guy thing. I don't find too many women (at least real women) engaging in trolling and abuse online. And, many times, the female members of a forum start quitting or going inactive because of abuse, and the sense that their views on subjects are being treated with condescension and not being taken seriously.

    These are certainly issues that go on in real life...not just in the cyber universe. In recent years, I worked for one term as a union rep, and much of my time was spent dealing with the tensions created from incidents of sexual harassment, which began when the first female employees started coming in over 20 years ago. Things seemed to be getting better for a time, but were starting to get worse in recent years for reasons we're still not completely sure of. One of my great frustrations from my time as a union rep. was having to defend guys who honestly did not believe what they were saying or doing was sexual harassment, but kept insisting that they be judged by their claimed intentions, and not from the way those words or behaviours were taken by complaining female employees!

    I don't know the specifics behind what's going on here, but I think that where it might relate to my personal experiences is: if a guy is friending or attempting to friend female members of a forum, and keeps sending friend requests, and perhaps sending pm's asking 'why haven't you accepted my friend request' as an example; that is already an example of sexual harassment whether he is aware of it or not! Maybe it's a bit of modern narcissism coming in to play here, but there should be a rule that no means no, and stop asking if you've already been told "no" at least once before.

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    I'm sorry I don't understand why there is a need to continue discussing about what someone did and what that person might have ment by it, when the person in question has already publicly apologised. The past is the past, I think it should be left for what it is.

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    I haven't mentioned any names in my comments, about internal conflicts here, because I don't really know the people, and I don't think that's what is important. The net result should be to establish clear principles of conduct that reduce the likelihood of claims and disputes of harassment, and enforce them. All else is moot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by recovering conservative View Post
    I haven't mentioned any names in my comments, about internal conflicts here, because I don't really know the people, and I don't think that's what is important. The net result should be to establish clear principles of conduct that reduce the likelihood of claims and disputes of harassment, and enforce them. All else is moot.
    My comment was ment in general, not just about yours. Anyway, people cry sexual harassment all to quick, and that's from me, a woman!
    Women are the worst in my opinion (in general, in life), that's why I work with men, not women. Women pick the most fights, talk about eachother behind backs etc.

    Back to my point: I'm sorry I don't understand why there is a need to continue discussing about what someone did and what that person might have ment by it, when the person in question has already publicly apologised. The past is the past, I think it should be left for what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chloe_88 View Post
    My comment was ment in general, not just about yours. Anyway, people cry sexual harassment all to quick, and that's from me, a woman!
    Women are the worst in my opinion (in general, in life), that's why I work with men, not women. Women pick the most fights, talk about eachother behind backs etc.

    Back to my point: I'm sorry I don't understand why there is a need to continue discussing about what someone did and what that person might have ment by it, when the person in question has already publicly apologised. The past is the past, I think it should be left for what it is.
    Problem is that there are many who just MUST have the last word.
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